Jump to content


On the matter of erotic content (adult s

Started by Guest_Dorotea_* , Aug 25 2001 10:42 PM

  • Please log in to reply
22 replies to this topic

#1 Guest_Dorotea_*

Posted 25 August 2001 - 10:42 PM

Ok folks!

This latest thread (I mean Ridiculous) made me think of establishing some sort of guidelines for the board on the subject of explicit sexual content. I am going to present two excerpts from two of my favorite fantasy books, which I consider quite acceptable, but which are specially selected for their erotic content. Mind it, it is not why I love these books :), but I decided to pick a good quality material so that my question is more obvious.

Please tell me do you consider posting a material of this approximate level of eroticism offensive to minors? Should we restrict this type of content?

Please vote.

Ready ? Here we go …

(1)

“

She shivered like a captive mouse at first, but it did not take her long to reach a point of no turning back. And for goddamned once nothing happened to interrupt.

The old general amazed himself. The woman amazed him even more.

Sometime in the wee hours the exhausted boss general promised, “Tomorrow night again. Within the walls of Stormgard. Maybe in Stormshadow's own bed.”

She wanted to know the basis for his confidence. As time labored on she just got more awake and lively. But the old man fell asleep on her.

”

(2)

“

She brushed him, naked now, her skin hot to the touch, and he most willingly, lay down beside her although it took incredible strength of will not simply to have the matter done with in an instant - all the time it would no doubt take him - and be relieved however briefly of this horrible pressure of arousal.

She had no such strength of will, or considered it unnecessary. What passed next went rather faster than he would have wished, but he did not disgrace himself; his prayers did not go in vain, for the Lord watched over him and he managed to get through it as a man would, not losing control like a dog.

”

http://gamejag.com/WithoutName

#2 Guest_Dorotea_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 12:13 AM

Hmm, I have a feeling we really have some sort of problem here. By now 28 people read this thread by nobody was bold enough to vote. :)

Does it really mean that everybody is waiting for the opinion expresses by a leader of a sort to join in?

Looks like this Humpty-Dumpty guy was partially right.

http://www.gamejag.com/WithoutName

#3 Guest_Rose of Jericho_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 12:23 AM

Okey dokey, I'll weigh in :)

I found your excerpts to be perfectly acceptable, both in terms of what's been allowed here and what I appreciate personally.

The thing to remember about the erotic content is, there's a certain amount of erotic content in the game itself, and it's obviously being played by minors. I'm sure if we stayed at that level of eroticism, we'd be fine.

Of course, I'm a big fan of "between the scenes" lovemaking. I've never felt it necessary to write a -- pardon the expression -- blow-by-blow acount of sexual activity. Plenty can be written before the clothes come off and after the deed is done to advance the plot. And really, first you have to consider whether you're being gratuitous by including it.

And then, I don't know what's offensive to minors anymore. I think graphic descriptions of sex offend me more now than then did when I was 14. ;) Myabe one of the minors should weigh in!

> Ok folks!

> This latest thread (I mean Ridiculous) made me think of establishing some

> sort of guidelines for the board on the subject of explicit sexual

> content. I am going to present two excerpts from two of my favorite

> fantasy books, which I consider quite acceptable, but which are specially

> selected for their erotic content. Mind it, it is not why I love these

> books ;), but I decided to pick a good quality material so that my

> question is more obvious.

> Please tell me do you consider posting a material of this approximate

> level of eroticism offensive to minors? Should we restrict this type of

> content?

> Please vote.

> Ready ? Here we go …

> (1)

> “

> She shivered like a captive mouse at first, but it did not take her long

> to reach a point of no turning back. And for goddamned once nothing

> happened to interrupt.

> The old general amazed himself. The woman amazed him even more.

> Sometime in the wee hours the exhausted boss general promised, “Tomorrow

> night again. Within the walls of Stormgard. Maybe in Stormshadow's own

> bed.”

> She wanted to know the basis for his confidence. As time labored on she

> just got more awake and lively. But the old man fell asleep on her.

> ”

> (2)

> “

> She brushed him, naked now, her skin hot to the touch, and he most

> willingly, lay down beside her although it took incredible strength of

> will not simply to have the matter done with in an instant - all the time

> it would no doubt take him - and be relieved however briefly of this

> horrible pressure of arousal.

> She had no such strength of will, or considered it unnecessary. What

> passed next went rather faster than he would have wished, but he did not

> disgrace himself; his prayers did not go in vain, for the Lord watched

> over him and he managed to get through it as a man would, not losing

> control like a dog.

> ”


#4 Laufey

Posted 26 August 2001 - 12:25 AM

> Please tell me do you consider posting a material of this approximate

> level of eroticism offensive to minors? Should we restrict this type of

> content?

> Please vote.

> Ready ? Here we go …

Personally I'm not offended by either of them.


Rogues do it from behind.

#5 Guest_Anonymous_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 12:37 AM

Hi,

I am from Australia, and here our rating system is harsher on violent adult content than on erotic adult content. Nude scenes are shown more and accepted more than scenes of graphic violence (blood and gore).

My opinion on the matter is that as long as it is tastefully done, ie relies more upon the readers imagination than what is said, is perfectly acceptable. Readers who are under age and read this, probably wouldn't understand it anyway.

Of course, if it is not just erotic content but deviant behaviour (such as animals, children, etc) then it is totally unacceptable.

- Simulacrum

#6 Guest_Anonymous_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 12:40 AM

Considering what passes for adolescent entertainment nowadays, I don't believe that a youthful viewer would find either excerpt to be offensive. I certainly don't. It's been a while since I was a teenager though and I'd be interested in seeing what the younger folks here think.

#7 Guest_Anonymous_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 12:47 AM

> And then, I don't know what's offensive to minors anymore. I think graphic

> descriptions of sex offend me more now than then did when I was 14. :)

> Myabe one of the minors should weigh in!

You *want* us to read erotic literature? ;) Just kidding. I took a peek at the excerpts and didn't find it offensive at all, and I'm pretty squeamish about sex scenes (I guess cuz I don't watch as much tv as other teens ;) I think the first one was better in content, since it dealt more with the 'before and after' deal (anything that suggested sex has already occured is fine with me, like some pillow-talk or whatever) and feelings... that's something I don't mind a bit with this topic, is feelings. I say, along with everyone else, as long as it's tasteful and doesn't break the Bikini Line rule, it's fine. Warnings should still be posted with it, though; I'll avoid sex scenes whenever possible. :P

#8 Guest_Dwagon_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 01:00 AM

> Considering what passes for adolescent entertainment nowadays, I don't

> believe that a youthful viewer would find either excerpt to be offensive.

> I certainly don't. It's been a while since I was a teenager though and I'd

> be interested in seeing what the younger folks here think.

dunno if i qualify as younger, but i didn't find anything offensive in those experts...but then again, i read valley of the horses by jean auel when i was 14, so i've read much, much worse:)...it's only if it gets OTT or becomes the entire reason for a story that i'll stop reading, and mainly cos i'm bored not offended...i think a simple warning for the easily offended should be enough:)

Dwagon


#9 Guest_Anonymous_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 01:22 AM

> Ok folks!

> This latest thread (I mean Ridiculous) made me think of establishing some

> sort of guidelines for the board on the subject of explicit sexual

> content. I am going to present two excerpts from two of my favorite

> fantasy books, which I consider quite acceptable, but which are specially

> selected for their erotic content. Mind it, it is not why I love these

> books :), but I decided to pick a good quality material so that my

> question is more obvious.

> Please tell me do you consider posting a material of this approximate

> level of eroticism offensive to minors? Should we restrict this type of

> content?

> Please vote.

> Ready ? Here we go …

> (1)

> “

> She shivered like a captive mouse at first, but it did not take her long

> to reach a point of no turning back. And for goddamned once nothing

> happened to interrupt.

> The old general amazed himself. The woman amazed him even more.

> Sometime in the wee hours the exhausted boss general promised, “Tomorrow

> night again. Within the walls of Stormgard. Maybe in Stormshadow's own

> bed.”

> She wanted to know the basis for his confidence. As time labored on she

> just got more awake and lively. But the old man fell asleep on her.

> ”

> (2)

> “

> She brushed him, naked now, her skin hot to the touch, and he most

> willingly, lay down beside her although it took incredible strength of

> will not simply to have the matter done with in an instant - all the time

> it would no doubt take him - and be relieved however briefly of this

> horrible pressure of arousal.

> She had no such strength of will, or considered it unnecessary. What

> passed next went rather faster than he would have wished, but he did not

> disgrace himself; his prayers did not go in vain, for the Lord watched

> over him and he managed to get through it as a man would, not losing

> control like a dog.

Umm..Maybe I'm just a guy, maybe it's because I've had two large glasses of wine, but I can't imagine anyone finding anything offensive in this. For that matter, I didn't find anything erotic about it either, but that's me.

Being a male, perhaps, and most likely, my definition of erotic writing (and I don't mean pornographic writing) is different than many females definitions of erotic writing. That being said, I struggled mightily to find much I would consider erotic about either passage. The second came closer, but in my opinion, was still shy of the mark.

To me, erotic writing, is a bit more detailed, but not so much so that nothing is left to the imagination. Erotica sets the mood, readies the emotions, and allows the reader to experience the "heat" of passion felt between two individual, without all the graphic details for pornographic writing. It is a fine line, but a few authors manage it, a very few.

I'm not sure this is the board for it. It is an art, much like any writing, and it is a very fine line, too easily crossed, considering the range of ages present at the Attic.

Here's a suggestion, and one Leo may want to take note of if he so desires. Perhaps a separate, "adult" section of the Attic could be set up, requiring registration, that would allow the posting of more erotically oriented stories. I don't know exactly how this would be done, meaning, guaranteeing that only adults could post and read it, but it might be a possibility. I for one wouldn't mind seeing it, and if others want to take their writing in a more adult direction, this might be an avenue to allow that expression.


#10 Luned

Posted 26 August 2001 - 01:24 AM

Well, all I can say is that neither selection upset me in the least. :)


Cheesecake is a state of mind.

<i>---John Myers Myers, <u>Silverlock</u></i>

#11 Guest_Anonymous_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 01:53 AM

Maybe it's just because I'm a guy, but I didn't really find either of the passages to be "over the line." To me, that would constitute more detailed descriptions of the *ahem* activities. Like others have said, I have no problem with the "before" and "after/pillow talk" type scenes... umm... I can't really think of anything else to add here that wouldn't be unforgivably redundant, so I'll stop now :)

- Doromond

"I can't think of a clever tag line here."

#12 Guest_Anonymous_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 01:55 AM

> Maybe it's just because I'm a guy, but I didn't really find either of the

> passages to be "over the line."

Hey, we have to stop this "because I'm a guy" thing. We're going to give ourselves away!

Shhhh...


#13 Guest_Dorotea_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 01:59 AM

> Hey, we have to stop this "because I'm a guy" thing. We're going

> to give ourselves away!

> Shhhh...

O Rats!

I would have to change my handle to something gender neutral I guess. :)

http://www.gamejag.com/WithoutName

#14 Guest_Dorotea_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 03:02 AM

Thanks to everybody who responded.

I am glad to see that as a community we have much more sense of humor and tolerance than whoever is was, that started the Ridiculous thread.

In case you wondered the first piece was from

Shadow Games, The Fourth Chronicle of the Black Company by Glen Cook, from Tor

The second from

The Burning stone, Volume Three of Crown of Stars, by Kate Elliott, from Daw Books

http://gamejag.com/WithoutName

#15 Guest_Devon_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 07:34 AM

> Ok folks!

> This latest thread (I mean Ridiculous) made me think of establishing some

> sort of guidelines for the board on the subject of explicit sexual

> content. I am going to present two excerpts from two of my favorite

> fantasy books, which I consider quite acceptable, but which are specially

> selected for their erotic content. Mind it, it is not why I love these

> books :), but I decided to pick a good quality material so that my

> question is more obvious.

Wow, erotic literature! The Attic is certainly getting interesting! :)

Actually, I'm really glad that you brought this up and got some answers because I asked a similar question a few postings below (where I replied to a posting by Luned) but I never received a response.

I've written a little poem that I am really hesitant to post because of such considerations, and while I know it isn't over the top, I'm still interested to see what people think of the issue.

I found nothing at all wrong with the text you posted, and I don't think my poem crosses the line either. I think Silrana's Bikini rule is a good standard, but some are erotic without mentioning such parts of the anatomy.

Any opinions on my poem if I was to post it with a warning?

#16 Guest_Dwagon_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 10:20 AM

> Wow, erotic literature! The Attic is certainly getting interesting! :)

that's one way of describing the last few days:)

> Actually, I'm really glad that you brought this up and got some answers

> because I asked a similar question a few postings below (where I replied

> to a posting by Luned) but I never received a response.

doops:)...i meant to say something there but my brain deserted me - bad brain:)

> I've written a little poem that I am really hesitant to post because of

> such considerations, and while I know it isn't over the top, I'm still

> interested to see what people think of the issue.

> I found nothing at all wrong with the text you posted, and I don't think

> my poem crosses the line either. I think Silrana's Bikini rule is a good

> standard, but some are erotic without mentioning such parts of the

> anatomy.

> Any opinions on my poem if I was to post it with a warning?

so long as people have warnings on their stuff and it's not blantant pornography, i don't see why not...give it a go, as i'm interested to see what it is now:)

Dwagon


#17 Luned

Posted 26 August 2001 - 04:40 PM

> Thanks to everybody who responded.

> I am glad to see that as a community we have much more sense of humor and

> tolerance than whoever is was, that started the Ridiculous thread.

> In case you wondered the first piece was from

> Shadow Games, The Fourth Chronicle of the Black Company by Glen Cook, from

> Tor

I thought that sounded like him! I like the Black Company series, but I'm positively addicted to his Garrett books. (His fantasy mysteries with metals in the titles.)


Cheesecake is a state of mind.

<i>---John Myers Myers, <u>Silverlock</u></i>

#18 Guest_Dorotea_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 04:44 PM

> Wow, erotic literature! The Attic is certainly getting interesting! :)

> Actually, I'm really glad that you brought this up and got some answers

> because I asked a similar question a few postings below (where I replied

> to a posting by Luned) but I never received a response.

I've noticed that the fear of being ridiculed raises tenfold when a writer wants to present a topic like this.

This is strange, considering the volume in which romance novels are published.

I started this thread mainly to show that the self-censorship rules in the Attic are very reasonable and writer-friendly.

> I've written a little poem that I am really hesitant to post because of

> such considerations, and while I know it isn't over the top, I'm still

> interested to see what people think of the issue.

> I found nothing at all wrong with the text you posted, and I don't think

> my poem crosses the line either. I think Silrana's Bikini rule is a good

> standard, but some are erotic without mentioning such parts of the

> anatomy.

Hey the 'bikini rule' is a fantastic thing if you start thinking on it.

Is the word 'bosom' exceptable or should I use 'chest' instead? If 'bosom' is ok , what about 'breast'? And don't forget 'bottom' or 'butt' as in butt-kicking-for-goodness! If 'bottom' is fine can I mention 'buttocks' ?

I am laughing hard every time I start seing people discussing stuff like this. Gee, I suppose you can always use your common sense and post a warning 'erotic content', which for sure would attract all the minors on the board like flies to sugar. :)

> Any opinions on my poem if I was to post it with a warning?

Sure, fire away. I suggest though that you wait until the next quiz. You may not get enough responses, for we are running out of time.

http://204.95.249.149/WithoutName

#19 Guest_Dorotea_*

Posted 26 August 2001 - 04:49 PM

> I thought that sounded like him! I like the Black Company series, but

> I'm positively addicted to his Garrett books. (His fantasy mysteries with

> metals in the titles.)

Or yes I love these too. :) If you like fun mysteries ( and not nessessarily in fantasy settings) I can recommend Elizabeth Peters Egyptian series and Lyndsey Davis Roman ones. I had to confess, my first person narrations is totally Glen Cooks' influence.

http://204.95.249.149/WithoutName

#20 Luned

Posted 26 August 2001 - 06:23 PM

> Wow, erotic literature! The Attic is certainly getting interesting! :)

> Actually, I'm really glad that you brought this up and got some answers

> because I asked a similar question a few postings below (where I replied

> to a posting by Luned) but I never received a response.

Oooops, sorry. I thought someone had actually pretty much answered the question in another post in the thread.

Since things are pretty touchy around here right now, let me just say that I personally have no problems with "suggestive" material. I even write material that goes beyond suggestive and into somewhat explicit (more like R-rated than X or NC-17), though I don't feel I need to post those stories here.

I also do not feel that you even need to post a warning with it. A story dealing with an intense rape scene (not like the PS:T story just posted) or bestiality or something like that, well, yes, I might appreciate a heads-up at the start of the post.

> I've written a little poem that I am really hesitant to post because of

> such considerations, and while I know it isn't over the top, I'm still

> interested to see what people think of the issue.

> I found nothing at all wrong with the text you posted, and I don't think

> my poem crosses the line either. I think Silrana's Bikini rule is a good

> standard, but some are erotic without mentioning such parts of the

> anatomy.

And I think many of us relish them!

---Luned


Cheesecake is a state of mind.

<i>---John Myers Myers, <u>Silverlock</u></i>
Back to Quiz 65: The Road Less Travelled


0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users

  1. Gamejag
  2. → The Attic
  3. → Archives
  4. → Quiz Archives
  5. → Quiz 65: The Road Less Travelled
  6. Privacy Policy
Skin Designed By Evanescence at IBSkin.com