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#21 Guest_Tenebrous_*

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 08:12 PM

Harpers do not crave for power, political, economical or whatsoever. Do not base your assumptions on what you see in the game. Harpers actually work to prevent the power being concentrated in one place.

That they do. However, Harpers do crave control - and separate that from the desire for power. Good king, bad king, they don't care if the king has a small kingdom. Good king, bad king, they DO if he has a large kingdom, since they call that inherently oppressive. Their goal is to be able to keep polities small. They don't want power per se, but they want to be able to control who has it, who doesn't, and how much they have. And one might ask - is that not a desire for power? Debatable, but it's a sure thing that they want control.

In response to Hunter, yes, they usually wouldn't say such a thing, but Reviane is a Harper and so is Jaheira, and they both understand that truth is not high up on the Harpers' list of priorities.

At least that is amongst their goals - of course there are bound to be bad seeds like Galvarey in any organization. Also, Harpers are pretty much the only 'good' organization that opposes the countless 'evil' organizations like Zhentarim, Cult Of The Dragon, Red Wizards, Rundeen, Twisted Rune... nah, but I guess its too easy to bash them only because you hate Galvarey, Dermin or Elminster.

The churches of the good gods do very well opposing the evil organizations, especially considering how the evil organizations fight amongst themselves. The Harpers don't really care that much about the evil organizations - they do, but only in the sense that they meddle in the Harpers' sphere of influence. Remember that the Harpers' alignment is generally neutral...not good. They weren't written to be universally good - and they aren't.

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#22 Weyoun

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 09:18 PM

You get two for the price of one, this time. What is it you're getting? Endings.

Hey, sounds like a pretty good deal. I've finally caught up with Glitters, it seems now too. :wink:

Almost a year ago, I mentioned that I had to make a quick writearound for a particular chapter after I changed my mind, and this was it (recently referred to as a "lame cop-out"). I'm breaking my own self-imposed rule to stick to established FR sources as closely as possible with this, because, there isn't such a thing as a Grand Inquisition.

Hey, you don't always have to stick with FR canon. Sometimes it's nice to do something else, after all. Hell, my own story is probably closer to Dragonball Z lore than FR lore at some point or another.

Well, I did enjoy the story a lot. Theodur will probably slaughter me when he finds out

, but I actually preferred the alternative ending. It was very powerful... Of course, Kal will need Jaheira in the future of the story, but still it was great.

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#23 Guest_Tenebrous_*

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Posted 18 August 2003 - 10:39 PM

Hey, you don't always have to stick with FR canon. Sometimes it's nice to do something else, after all. Hell, my own story is probably closer to Dragonball Z lore than FR lore at some point or another.

I know. I try to keep my breaking of the rules less flagrant, that's all

Well, I did enjoy the story a lot. Theodur will probably slaughter me when he finds out , but I actually preferred the alternative ending. It was very powerful... Of course, Kal will need Jaheira in the future of the story, but still it was great.

I thought one or two people would prefer the alternative ending. I think, after polishing, it could be better than the real one, but in plot terms leaving Jaheira alive offers more possibilities.

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#24 Guest_Silrana_*

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Posted 19 August 2003 - 03:07 AM

You get two for the price of one, this time. What is it you're getting? Endings.

All in all, I'd say that I liked both versions.

Killing off a party member is never easy. I know it would tear my heart out to have one of Jarran's party die, so I understand how difficult it must have been for you. In the end, it was your call, and I think it was a perfectly valid one. No need to call it a cop-out.

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#25 Guest_Tenebrous_*

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Posted 19 August 2003 - 05:16 AM

All in all, I'd say that I liked both versions.

Killing off a party member is never easy. I know it would tear my heart out to have one of Jarran's party die, so I understand how difficult it must have been for you. In the end, it was your call, and I think it was a perfectly valid one. No need to call it a cop-out.

It was a tough decision. Central to the question was whether I could write it. Jaheira's death would impact every future chapter in a much greater way than her simply leaving. I didn't know if I could do that. Maybe I could have, but something inside me shrunk from the idea of killing someone as popular as Jaheira. If I'm to pronounce death sentence on anyone, I don't think Jaheira can be that someone.

I still can only hope that I made a right decision, but a lot of people seem to support me on this, so that makes it better :wink:

Thanks for the kind words.

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#26 Guest_Oryx_*

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Posted 24 August 2003 - 07:25 AM

OUTSTANDING.

I can't think of a fanficiton battle-scene that has been better. (or pro-ficiton, but I bascially never read, so that says little). Both tactically, and psychologically, speaking.

Which brings to the point that the battle per se isn't the point. I did find the death quite gripping (and, seeming to recall your stiffer raising/resurrection rules, and the implied gravity of the situation, am presuming this was her End). It was really sad.

I find the latter ending much better all around, but....I know you have your reasons, not the least of which is FR compatability (which I have not the knowhow to say anythign in). Bravo.

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#27 Guest_Tenebrous_*

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Posted 27 August 2003 - 05:09 PM

OUTSTANDING.

I can't think of a fanficiton battle-scene that has been better. (or pro-ficiton, but I bascially never read, so that says little). Both tactically, and psychologically, speaking.

Thanks

Which brings to the point that the battle per se isn't the point. I did find the death quite gripping (and, seeming to recall your stiffer raising/resurrection rules, and the implied gravity of the situation, am presuming this was her End). It was really sad.

Indeed, that would be the end. Resurrection in my world has such a low chance of succeeding (about two percent in Jaheira's case) that it might as well not exist. Casual death just doesn't work for me.

I find the latter ending much better all around, but....I know you have your reasons, not the least of which is FR compatability (which I have not the knowhow to say anythign in). Bravo.

If I wanted FR compatibility, I'd stick with the ending where Jaheira dies. FR compatibility was indeed the least of my reasons. The main reason was that I didn't want to kill her...just that.

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