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#1 Guest_Theodur_*

Posted 14 August 2003 - 09:44 AM

Ok, some comments before this part. I have no idea about the nature of the illusion that Adalon casts, so I adapted my own interpretation – illusion in this case should rather be called an alteration, meaning that the change into the drow bodies is purely physical change of their bodies. Of course, for a person without a soul this would be… rather confusing…

Another thing – Adalon does not specifically tells that the protagonist must use name Veldrin, indicating that she does not know the identities of the drow she dispatched. So, Theo is not going to take on that name… thus my extremely silly game of anagrams in the middle of the chapter. Sorry ‘bout that…

Lastly – re: to the discussion in the last chapter, I would like you to propose your versions on what alignment would suit Theo the best. Share your thoughts… :lol:

 

Rush Of Blood To The Head, part 5.7.

“There! It is done!” Adalon exclaims loudly as a stream of magic flows through me, but I do not feel that much different inside… only that the skin of my hands has changed to the color of dark ebony…

“When you arrive at the gate, tell them that you are from the city of Ched Nasad and that you seek sanctuary within Ust Natha. You will be able to pass through the Drow with ease, they will not see through the illusion I have created,” Adalon explains, “Yes, you now fully resemble the denizens of the Drow city, complete with a house insignia that will not draw undue attention. I would suggest you to act like Drow when speaking with anyone you meet.”

“I will make sure that our cover is not blown due to some idiotic, childish mistake,” I hear Viconia’s retort and can only imagine how much she enjoys the situation where her knowledge will be crucial to the group’s survival…

“While under the cover of the illusion, your speech will be heard in the language of Drow, such as though you have spoken their dark tongue for all your life,” Adalon continues her lecture, “The illusion will last as long as it is necessary, but if you try to leave the city through the main gate to the surface the magic will be dispelled. You will be facing an army, without any chance to survive – I apologize, but I must protect my interests. The only safe escape is through my influence once you have recovered my eggs.”

“Wonderful, another self-righteous blackmailer on our trail,” Edwin sneers, “this Red Wizard does not forget things like that easily, just you wait until we have finished doing your errands, wyrm, and then, after we have acquired everything we need from you in return…”

“Ssssssh! Edwin, control yourself,” I admonish him, “wait a second… how come I still hear you speaking Common?”

“That is because I spoke in Common, fool,” Edwin explains politely.

I turn around to look at my companions for the first time after the casting of Adalon’s spell… I see a young, sneering Drow male – that must be Edwin, unless Adalon’s illusions have changed our sexes… Next to him is a young Drow female with a roguish grin on her lips, beside her stands a Drow that looks remarkably like Viconia… No, actually it is Viconia – of course, she is not affected by the spell.

Next to me stands another Drow female, this one of a rather lithe build, even slimmer than Viconia… Her face, so narrow and delicate, the high cheekbones reminding me of someone I know and her eyes… Jaheira’s beautiful blue-gray eyes, fixing me with an inquiring gaze…

“Err… Jaheira?” I mutter, unable to take my eyes of her face… she does not look like the Jaheira I love, yet… I feel that whomever this woman is, I am supposed to love her too and that is exactly how I feel.

“Theodur? Is that you?” her lips part to pronounce these words and I hear Jaheira’s voice, “you look… well… for a Drow.”

“You look… good, yourself,” I manage, feeling quite awkward, “it seems that we speak Common, and we hear Common, but the Drow will hear it in their language…”

“Wow, that’s complicated,” the roguish looking Drow, also known as Imoen, exclaims, “so, what if someone speaks to us in Drow, we will hear it in Common?”

“I don’t know… say, Viconia, could you say something in Drow?” I ask her.

“Very well, if you insist,” Viconia grins, “I think you are a gorgeous looking Drow male and I am thinking about honoring you with my company this night.”

“Viconia! I heard that!” Jaheira speaks, angered.

“Good, then your assumption is correct,” Viconia grins, “I spoke those words in Drow.”

“I have grown tired of your company, would you mind leaving my lair and getting to the task at hand?” Adalon interrupts our chatter angrily, “Remember, you are from the city of Ched Nasad. Use a Drow name as well, something as common as ‘Veldrin’, for example…”

“Err, yes, thank you Adalon,” I reply, “We will do our best to recover your eggs. For now we will leave you to your solitude…”

With that we turn to leave the cavern and the arrogant Silver Dragon inside it… I feel relieved and pleased about how my risky plans have worked, after all there was a great possibility that a Balor would have slaughtered us and if Adalon would not be in this predicament with her eggs, we would have probably fallen before her might… not helping the gnomes eats away at my conscience a bit, but I hope that we can sort out Adalon’s problems with her eggs and then she will be able to fix the problem of the svirfneblin.

“’Veldrin’, huh? How silly can you get?” I complain, climbing upwards through the darkness of the cave, “there is no way I am going to use such a name… how about Rindvel?”

“Better,” Viconia laughs, “of course, we all need new names… I think I will call myself Covinia Vedir…”

“Hehe, I love these games…” Imoen chirps happily, “how about… Noemi? And Edwin, I have one for you…”

“Never mind that, my fabulous mind is well capable of selecting the most stunning anagram that the rest of you fools could only dream about,” Edwin snorts.

“Well, let’s hear it then, Eddie,” Imoen does not relent.

“Err… what? Oh, yes… yes, of course… Wined!” Edwin proudly declares and is slightly taken aback by our loud laughing, “what are you laughing about, simians?”

“Eddie… hehe… that… that is ridiculous…” Imoen gasps for air, “how… how about… simply - Dewin?”

“Hmm, crude but suitable,” Edwin agrees after a little time of deliberation, “of course, that was the second suggestion on my long list of extremely cunning and impressive anagrams…”

“Sure, Dewin, sure,” I smirk, “Jaheira, dear? What about you?”

“I am not any good at this, to tell you the truth,” she sighs, “what about simply cutting it to Heira?”

“Heira… I like it,” I smile at her, “do not underestimate yourself, being practical does not mean that you cannot be creative as well… Rindvel and Heira, the famous Drow couple from Ched Nasad…”

She only laughs about my reply as we leave the dark cavern. The gates of Ust Natha come into our view soon as we move forward, but before entering the city there is still one thing that I need to make myself sure of…

“Jah… I meant, Heira? Can I have a moment with you alone?” I wink to her and lead her away from our discontent friends.

“Really, can’t he contain his urges until we get into the city and find ourselves some rooms in the tavern?” Viconia complains as the two of us disappear behind a large pile of rocks.

“You also feel that way, don’t you?” I ask looking into the depths of her eyes, the only thing that strongly reminds me of who she really is, “Embarrassed… odd… as if I am with you, but in the same time…”

“As if I am with another man…” she finishes, “yes, it is very… confusing… I mean, I know it is you, your eyes and voice, but…”

“So… what are we going to do about it?” I feel myself blushing and wondering if it is visible through the illusion, “I mean, are we…”

“I think we simply need to get used to it and it will be all right,” she smiles, “perhaps we will have to spend a lot of time in that city and I… would not want my nights to be lonely…”

“Me neither… so, how about we, err… practice a little?” I ask timidly, “will this gorgeous Drow allow me to kiss her?”

“I think that she will,” she smiles and leans into my embrace… her lips are so thin compared to my half-elven lover’s that it indeed feels like I am kissing a complete stranger. However, something in her kiss and the way she clings to me is very Jaheira-like… I look into her eyes as our lips part and we both gasp for breath… she looks even more confused now.

“That was… I mean it felt good, but… it was like kissing someone other than you,” she averts her gaze, “it almost feels like cheating on… you. But that is ridiculous, is it not? I mean you are still the same person…”

“I feel exactly the same…” I reply, before kissing her tenderly on the cheek, “perhaps we can get used to it with time… maybe practicing is all we need and in time we will get used to our new bodies and… we will adjust to each other bodies too…”

“I agree… I have to say that the thought about spending the night with you in this form is slightly… eh, frightening…” she smiles weakly, “but, I am sure we will get used to each other. Come, let’s get going… our friends and the Drow city awaits us. And Irenicus, be he damned…”

We return to our less than impressed friends and after hearing their complaints about prolonged waiting, we head towards the gate of the Drow city…

#2 Guest_argan_*

Posted 14 August 2003 - 12:00 PM

Good chapter :lol:

#3 Guest_Theodur_*

Posted 14 August 2003 - 12:23 PM

Good chapter :lol:


Thanks! ;)

Now, onto your suggestion that NE is the alignment that fits Theo the best:

Neutral Evil

Neutral Evil characters are primarily concerned with themselves and their own advancement. They have no particular objection to working with others or, for that matter, doing it on their own. Their only interest is in getting ahead. If there is a quick and easy way to gain a profit, whether it is legal, questionable, or obviously illegal, they take advantage of it. Although Neutral Evil characters do not have the "every man for himself" attitude of chaotic characters, they have no qualms about betraying their friends and companions for personal gain. They typically base their allegiance on power and money, which makes them quite receptive to bribes. An unscrupulous mercenary, a common thief, and a double-crossing informer who betrays people to the authorities to protect and advance himself are typical examples of Neutral Evil characters.


Neutral Evil characters are primarily concerned with themselves and their own advancement.

Not always true when it comes to Theo - most of his worst stunts have always been the result of his concern and overprotectiveness for Jaheira.

If there is a quick and easy way to gain a profit, whether it is legal, questionable, or obviously illegal, they take advantage of it.

Also, not particularly characteristic for Theo. He is pretty indifferent towards money or any valuables for that matter, getting rich is not a motivation for him.

Although Neutral Evil characters do not have the "every man for himself" attitude of chaotic characters, they have no qualms about betraying their friends and companions for personal gain.

You'd think that the Cernd-thingy would fit here, but I would look at it as a very special case. Cernd wasn't really his friend or his companion - he barely knew him, Theo wold never betray his current companions in such way.

They typically base their allegiance on power and money, which makes them quite receptive to bribes.

Again, not really. Theo is unlikely to automatically choose the side of the strongest or the one who pays better...

An unscrupulous mercenary, a common thief, and a double-crossing informer who betrays people to the authorities to protect and advance himself are typical examples of Neutral Evil characters.

:( Well, Theo is none of these...

Ok, I don't think that Theo fits NE all that well, but I am chalking up a point for NE on my board, nevertheless. :)

#4 Guest_argan_*

Posted 14 August 2003 - 12:42 PM

Maybe not every one of those things fit in, but in my mind, I have summarized NE as simply being egoistic and not much caring who will suffer for his joy.

#5 Guest_hanfist_*

Posted 14 August 2003 - 12:53 PM

nice chapter. Liked the anagrams and the attempt to actually talk about the transformations.

I have to say thay Theodur comes across to me as chaotic first and foremost. He doesn't let himself be constrained by rules made by others, while lawfulness is the opposite of that -- living by the rules of society. Though I am very harsh on adultery in RL (thank my faithless father), I see his actions with Jaheira as being evidence of non-lawfulness, not of inherent evil. He is not evil. He cares for his friends, refused to work with the vampires, and with Xzar as well. Yes, evil people could do the same, but their reasons would be different. He's CN in my book, maybe even straight N with chaotic tendencies. Seems to me he struggles hard to keep some sort of balance -- hey, he fails, he is mortal, (well half mortal at least).
If he was evil, he would have killed Khalid deliberately, or at least planned to. He didn't. As for Jaheira in Rush of Blood she comes across as being neutral, rather than the Neutral goodie two shoes she is usually portrayed as. And aren't druids supposed to be neutral? A lot of D&Ders tend to have an attitude that if you aren't acting to help good, that means you are evil, so if you try and play your CN thief or LN monk to fit their alignments, they'll claim you're being evil.

#6 Guest_Theodur_*

Posted 14 August 2003 - 12:54 PM

Maybe not every one of those things fit in, but in my mind, I have summarized NE as simply being egoistic and not much caring who will suffer for his joy.


That's closer... still, Theo hasn't had very much joy throughout this story... :lol:

#7 Guest_Theodur_*

Posted 14 August 2003 - 01:40 PM

nice chapter. Liked the anagrams and the attempt to actually talk about the transformations.


Thanks! Funny, but I always thought that the transformation would cause a great deal of discomfort, but I have never seen this addressed in any story before. Though I remember that Silrana addressed Mazzy's sudden height gain in AC, which was a very good point.

I have to say thay Theodur comes across to me as chaotic first and foremost. He doesn't let himself be constrained by rules made by others, while lawfulness is the opposite of that -- living by the rules of society. Though I am very harsh on adultery in RL (thank my faithless father), I see his actions with Jaheira as being evidence of non-lawfulness, not of inherent evil. He is not evil. He cares for his friends, refused to work with the vampires, and with Xzar as well. Yes, evil people could do the same, but their reasons would be different. He's CN in my book, maybe even straight N with chaotic tendencies. Seems to me he struggles hard to keep some sort of balance -- hey, he fails, he is mortal, (well half mortal at least).


Good point about Theo being chaotic, rather than lawful - most definitely. Very nice analysis, I am glad that it isn't easy to peg Theo into one of these nine slots - I think (hope) that means that he is a complex character, something that an author strives to achieve.

If he was evil, he would have killed Khalid deliberately, or at least planned to. He didn't. As for Jaheira in Rush of Blood she comes across as being neutral, rather than the Neutral goodie two shoes she is usually portrayed as. And aren't druids supposed to be neutral? A lot of D&Ders tend to have an attitude that if you aren't acting to help good, that means you are evil, so if you try and play your CN thief or LN monk to fit their alignments, they'll claim you're being evil.


Heh, shows how rigid people can be in their thinking. As for Jaheira - well, it is not a conscious effort to make her a TN like she 'should' be. It's probably mostly this relationship that is changing her from 'goody-two-shoesness' towards neutrality.

#8 Guest_Bjorn_*

Posted 14 August 2003 - 03:08 PM

Lastly – re: to the discussion in the last chapter, I would like you to propose your versions on what alignment would suit Theo the best. Share your thoughts… :cry:


I've been thinking about this since the last chapter. It's a tricky one - if it was a simple case of good/neutral/evil I'd definitely say Theo was neutral, but on the other hand I don't think he really fits any of the lawful neutral/true neutral/chaotic neutral categories that the alignment system allows.

He's definitely not lawful, his self centred nature doesn't really fit with true neutral, and according to the BG2 manual at any rate chaotic neutral people are the kind of people who make totally spur of the moment decisions a lot/are totally unpredictable/etc., which i don't think really applies to Theo.

I really don't think he's evil - ok, sometimes he acts like a bit of a bastard, but he's also done a lot of quests in the 'good' way. Also when innocent people get hurt becuase of him he feels bad about it, which an evil person wouldn't do.

So I think if I have to choose an alignment, I'm going to have to say chaotic good with strong neutral leanings. I definitely agree with the point about him being chaotic - the whole not liking people telling him what to do thing fits in there. As for the good part - well, maybe it's a bit iffy, but it's the best I can do. And I reckon his moral compass is basically good, he just doesn't always manage to go where it points him.

I reckon if you took a description of what it means to be chaotic good and everytime it said 'good' substituted 'neutral', you'd have quite a good description of Theo. (From the descriptions I've read, this wouldn't be the same as the chaotic neutral alignment, but correct me if I'm wrong).

Ok, ramblings over, I'll get on with reading the story now.


“When you arrive at the gate, tell them that you are from the city of Ched Nasad and that you seek sanctuary within Ust Natha. You will be able to pass through the Drow with ease, they will not see through the illusion I have created,” Adalon explains, “Yes, you now fully resemble the denizens of the Drow city, complete with a house insignia that will not draw undue attention. I would suggest you to act like Drow when speaking with anyone you meet.”


:D I still can't get over that line. How thick did they think the players were going to be?

“Wonderful, another self-righteous blackmailer on our trail,” Edwin sneers, “this Red Wizard does not forget things like that easily, just you wait until we have finished doing your errands, wyrm, and then, after we have acquired everything we need from you in return…”


...you'll pick an unnecessary fight and risk getting everyone killed? great idea, eddie. :)

I turn around to look at my companions for the first time after the casting of Adalon’s spell… I see a young, sneering Drow male – that must be Edwin, unless Adalon’s illusions have changed our sexes… Next to him is a young Drow female with a roguish grin on her red lips, beside her stands a Drow that looks remarkably like Viconia… No, actually it is Viconia – of course, she is not affected by the spell.


:cry: Theo's not too quick on the uptake today, I see.

Nitpick: do drow have red lips? :D

Next to me stands another Drow female, this one of a rather lithe build, even slimmer than Viconia… Her face, so narrow and delicate, the high cheekbones reminding me of someone I know and her eyes… Jaheira’s beautiful blue-gray eyes, fixing me with an inquiring gaze…


other nitpick: wouldn't the illusion also have changed the eye colour? From what I recall from the Drizzt books, all drow except drizzt have the same colour eyes, so they would stand out otherwise.

“Err… Jaheira?” I mutter, unable to take my eyes of her face… she does not look like the Jaheira I love, yet… I feel that whomever this woman is, I am supposed to love her too and that is exactly how I feel.


I should hope so, theo.

“Theodur? Is that you?” her lips part to pronounce these words and I hear Jaheira’s voice, “you look… well… for a Drow.”


:) Theo will be glad to hear his love life isn't going to suffer as a result of the illusion then.

“Very well, if you insist,” Viconia grins, “I think you are a gorgeous looking Drow male and I am thinking about honoring you with my company this night.”


LOL!

“I have grown tired of your company, would you mind leaving my lair and getting to the task at hand?” Adalon interrupts our chatter angrily, “Remember, you are from the city of Ched Nasad. Use a Drow name as well, something as common as ‘Veldrin’, for example…”


What always puzzles me is that she suggests veldrin no matter what gender you are. I'd have thought she could be a bit more imaginative than that.

With that we turn to leave the cavern and the arrogant Silver Dragon inside it… I feel relieved and pleased about how my risky plans have worked, after all there was a great possibility that a Balor would have slaughtered us and if Adalon would not be in this predicament with her eggs, we would have probably fallen before her might… not helping the gnomes eats away at my conscience a bit, but I hope that we can sort out Adalon’s problems with her eggs and then she will be able to fix the problem of the svirfneblin.


I hope so to :lol:

“I am not any good at this, to tell you the truth,” she sighs, “what about simply cutting it to Heira?”


heh, admittedly the 'j' is a bit of a handicap for thinking of decent anagrams.

“Really, can’t he contain his urges until we get into the city and find ourselves some rooms in the tavern?” Viconia complains as the two of us disappear behind a large pile of rocks.


Come on, this is Theo you're talking about here :? .

“I think we simply need to get used to it and it will be all right,” she smiles, “perhaps we will have to spend a lot of time in that city and I… would not want my nights to be lonely…”


Wouldn't be very drowlike, either.

“That was… I mean it felt good, but… it was like kissing someone other than you,” she averts her gaze, “it almost feels like cheating on… you. But that is ridiculous, is it not? I mean you are still the same person…”


I can see how it would be odd. I guess they just need some practice... :)

We return to our less than impressed friends and after hearing their complaints about prolonged waiting, we head towards the gate of the Drow city…


I hope Theo lets Vic do most of the talking - I don't trust his acting ability.

Great chapter :)

#9 Guest_Theodur_*

Posted 14 August 2003 - 03:49 PM


Lastly – re: to the discussion in the last chapter, I would like you to propose your versions on what alignment would suit Theo the best. Share your thoughts… :cry:


I've been thinking about this since the last chapter. It's a tricky one - if it was a simple case of good/neutral/evil I'd definitely say Theo was neutral, but on the other hand I don't think he really fits any of the lawful neutral/true neutral/chaotic neutral categories that the alignment system allows.


That's actually a very good thing to hear.

He's definitely not lawful, his self centred nature doesn't really fit with true neutral, and according to the BG2 manual at any rate chaotic neutral people are the kind of people who make totally spur of the moment decisions a lot/are totally unpredictable/etc., which i don't think really applies to Theo.


I really don't think he's evil - ok, sometimes he acts like a bit of a bastard, but he's also done a lot of quests in the 'good' way. Also when innocent people get hurt becuase of him he feels bad about it, which an evil person wouldn't do.


All good points. :lol:

So I think if I have to choose an alignment, I'm going to have to say chaotic good with strong neutral leanings. I definitely agree with the point about him being chaotic - the whole not liking people telling him what to do thing fits in there. As for the good part - well, maybe it's a bit iffy, but it's the best I can do. And I reckon his moral compass is basically good, he just doesn't always manage to go where it points him.


Heh, true... it's a rocky road, after all...

I reckon if you took a description of what it means to be chaotic good and everytime it said 'good' substituted 'neutral', you'd have quite a good description of Theo. (From the descriptions I've read, this wouldn't be the same as the chaotic neutral alignment, but correct me if I'm wrong).


Well, that makes sense. I think. :D


“When you arrive at the gate, tell them that you are from the city of Ched Nasad and that you seek sanctuary within Ust Natha. You will be able to pass through the Drow with ease, they will not see through the illusion I have created,” Adalon explains, “Yes, you now fully resemble the denizens of the Drow city, complete with a house insignia that will not draw undue attention. I would suggest you to act like Drow when speaking with anyone you meet.”


:D I still can't get over that line. How thick did they think the players were going to be?


Coming from a dragon, it's an ok line, though - she would think them stupid.

Btw, you mean that you have never chosen the option: "I am CHARNAME, from the lair of Adalon" at the Drow gate?


“Wonderful, another self-righteous blackmailer on our trail,” Edwin sneers, “this Red Wizard does not forget things like that easily, just you wait until we have finished doing your errands, wyrm, and then, after we have acquired everything we need from you in return…”


...you'll pick an unnecessary fight and risk getting everyone killed? great idea, eddie. :)


I think that Theo will tie eddie's hands behind his back, when they come visiting Adalon again.


I turn around to look at my companions for the first time after the casting of Adalon’s spell… I see a young, sneering Drow male – that must be Edwin, unless Adalon’s illusions have changed our sexes… Next to him is a young Drow female with a roguish grin on her red lips, beside her stands a Drow that looks remarkably like Viconia… No, actually it is Viconia – of course, she is not affected by the spell.


:cry: Theo's not too quick on the uptake today, I see.


I'm afraid he has these momentary lapses of concentration.

Nitpick: do drow have red lips? :?


Hmm. I was looking at Vic's BG2 pic, but then I probably shouldn't make any conclusions based on that. Think I'll get rid of that adjective, its not like it matters anyway.


Next to me stands another Drow female, this one of a rather lithe build, even slimmer than Viconia… Her face, so narrow and delicate, the high cheekbones reminding me of someone I know and her eyes… Jaheira’s beautiful blue-gray eyes, fixing me with an inquiring gaze…


other nitpick: wouldn't the illusion also have changed the eye colour? From what I recall from the Drizzt books, all drow except drizzt have the same colour eyes, so they would stand out otherwise.


Of course, all except Drizzt... err, anyway - isn't it really depressing that all members of the same race have the same eye color? Brrr....*shudders*... I hate it when there is no diversity...

I think, I'll take a creative license here and avoid this bit. Also, if you remember in one of the Spellhold parts, I referred to eyes as mirrors of the soul - that's why the eye color didn't change with the illusions. My version, anyways.


“Err… Jaheira?” I mutter, unable to take my eyes of her face… she does not look like the Jaheira I love, yet… I feel that whomever this woman is, I am supposed to love her too and that is exactly how I feel.


I should hope so, theo.


Well, his feelings for her are pretty much the only stable thing in that rocky world around them.


“Theodur? Is that you?” her lips part to pronounce these words and I hear Jaheira’s voice, “you look… well… for a Drow.”


:P Theo will be glad to hear his love life isn't going to suffer as a result of the illusion then.


Well, it will be a bit awkward, still...


“Very well, if you insist,” Viconia grins, “I think you are a gorgeous looking Drow male and I am thinking about honoring you with my company this night.”


LOL!


Vic wouldn't miss a chance to tease Jaheira a bit...


“I have grown tired of your company, would you mind leaving my lair and getting to the task at hand?” Adalon interrupts our chatter angrily, “Remember, you are from the city of Ched Nasad. Use a Drow name as well, something as common as ‘Veldrin’, for example…”


What always puzzles me is that she suggests veldrin no matter what gender you are. I'd have thought she could be a bit more imaginative than that.


*sigh* Dragons - no creativity whatsoever.


With that we turn to leave the cavern and the arrogant Silver Dragon inside it… I feel relieved and pleased about how my risky plans have worked, after all there was a great possibility that a Balor would have slaughtered us and if Adalon would not be in this predicament with her eggs, we would have probably fallen before her might… not helping the gnomes eats away at my conscience a bit, but I hope that we can sort out Adalon’s problems with her eggs and then she will be able to fix the problem of the svirfneblin.


I hope so to :)

Yep, she will soon be able to leave her lair again. :)


“I am not any good at this, to tell you the truth,” she sighs, “what about simply cutting it to Heira?”


heh, admittedly the 'j' is a bit of a handicap for thinking of decent anagrams.


I couldn't think of anything decent, really - I think this is a good solution.


“Really, can’t he contain his urges until we get into the city and find ourselves some rooms in the tavern?” Viconia complains as the two of us disappear behind a large pile of rocks.


Come on, this is Theo you're talking about here :P .


Vic's probably feeling a bit starved, herself...


“I think we simply need to get used to it and it will be all right,” she smiles, “perhaps we will have to spend a lot of time in that city and I… would not want my nights to be lonely…”


Wouldn't be very drowlike, either.


Theo: Well, I sure hope that the drow aren't going to check on whether we are doing it or no.


“That was… I mean it felt good, but… it was like kissing someone other than you,” she averts her gaze, “it almost feels like cheating on… you. But that is ridiculous, is it not? I mean you are still the same person…”


I can see how it would be odd. I guess they just need some practice... :)


Oh, I'm pretty sure they know it themselves...


We return to our less than impressed friends and after hearing their complaints about prolonged waiting, we head towards the gate of the Drow city…


I hope Theo lets Vic do most of the talking - I don't trust his acting ability.


That is not the correct question, though. The correct question is - will Jaheira let Viconia do most of the talking?

Great chapter :D


Thank you! :P

#10 Guest_Bjorn_*

Posted 14 August 2003 - 07:49 PM


:D I still can't get over that line. How thick did they think the players were going to be?


Coming from a dragon, it's an ok line, though - she would think them stupid.


Btw, you mean that you have never chosen the option: "I am CHARNAME, from the lair of Adalon" at the Drow gate?


I don't think I have, no - I just assumed it would land me in a big fight and stop me from being able to do the drow city which is my favourite bit of the game. My current party should arrive there tomorrow though - maybe I'll try it and see.


other nitpick: wouldn't the illusion also have changed the eye colour? From what I recall from the Drizzt books, all drow except drizzt have the same colour eyes, so they would stand out otherwise.


Of course, all except Drizzt... err, anyway - isn't it really depressing that all members of the same race have the same eye color? Brrr....*shudders*... I hate it when there is no diversity...


I think, I'll take a creative license here and avoid this bit. Also, if you remember in one of the Spellhold parts, I referred to eyes as mirrors of the soul - that's why the eye color didn't change with the illusions. My version, anyways.


Actually, thinking about it I think the reason all drow eyes appear the same colour is because infravision makes them red, so you're probably ok here anyway. Hmm - does your version of the illusion grant them all infravision?



“I think we simply need to get used to it and it will be all right,” she smiles, “perhaps we will have to spend a lot of time in that city and I… would not want my nights to be lonely…”



Wouldn't be very drowlike, either.


Theo: Well, I sure hope that the drow aren't going to check on whether we are doing it or no.


Heh, if the inn lacks decent sound proofing then they won't need to check... :)


I hope Theo lets Vic do most of the talking - I don't trust his acting ability.


That is not the correct question, though. The correct question is - will Jaheira let Viconia do most of the talking?


Ah. Good point. Though I do just about trust Jaheira not to say anything really dumb.

#11 Guest_Theodur_*

Posted 14 August 2003 - 08:23 PM


Btw, you mean that you have never chosen the option: "I am CHARNAME, from the lair of Adalon" at the Drow gate?


I don't think I have, no - I just assumed it would land me in a big fight and stop me from being able to do the drow city which is my favourite bit of the game. My current party should arrive there tomorrow though - maybe I'll try it and see.


Heh. For some reason that line just cracks me up and I end up laughing just by seing it as an option...


I think, I'll take a creative license here and avoid this bit. Also, if you remember in one of the Spellhold parts, I referred to eyes as mirrors of the soul - that's why the eye color didn't change with the illusions. My version, anyways.


Actually, thinking about it I think the reason all drow eyes appear the same colour is because infravision makes them red, so you're probably ok here anyway. Hmm - does your version of the illusion grant them all infravision?


:D I guess if it is an innate racial skill, then yes. Interesting version about infravision making drow eyes red, could be the case indeed - Viconia's eyes in the pic are everything but red... moot point, but still...


Theo: Well, I sure hope that the drow aren't going to check on whether we are doing it or no.


Heh, if the inn lacks decent sound proofing then they won't need to check... :)


They will get a seperate wing in the tavern, so lack of privacy won't be a problem... :)


That is not the correct question, though. The correct question is - will Jaheira let Viconia do most of the talking?


Ah. Good point. Though I do just about trust Jaheira not to say anything really dumb.


Hmm. For some reason I can't think of a reply to this comment. Odd.

#12 Darkwolf Shadowwalker

Posted 14 August 2003 - 10:06 PM

Drow don't have all the same eye color. While they're usually red, they can also be violet as well as dark blue IIRC. I'd have to dig up my FRCS (which I can't find for the life of me) to be sure.

Nice take on the change, btw :D I've got my own little happy fun things to do with that when it comes time :)

And just for the record, Jaheira and Theo are giving Karis and Viconia a run for their money when it comes to 'most lustful Attic pairing' :)

#13 Guest_Theodur_*

Posted 15 August 2003 - 05:26 AM

Drow don't have all the same eye color. While they're usually red, they can also be violet as well as dark blue IIRC. I'd have to dig up my FRCS (which I can't find for the life of me) to be sure.


Ah, don't bother with the research. While I like my stories to be at least near plausible in terms of the canon, I can always blame the details on that 'artistic license'. :)

Nice take on the change, btw :) I've got my own little happy fun things to do with that when it comes time :P


Thanks! Oh, I'm anxious to see your take - heh, already I have some wild guesses...

And just for the record, Jaheira and Theo are giving Karis and Viconia a run for their money when it comes to 'most lustful Attic pairing' :)


Oh, good! :D Though I think that they are still behind Laska and Rose... and I understand that Weyoun's Underdark chapters of TnT will make everyone blush... ;)

#14 Guest_Aurelius_*

Posted 15 August 2003 - 06:37 AM

Lastly – re: to the discussion in the last chapter, I would like you to propose your versions on what alignment would suit Theo the best. Share your thoughts… :P


Heh, that's too good to resist.

I think the character has evolved (or devolved?) during the story. He started out as chaotic good, then progressed to chaotic neutral. Now I see him as being a cross between neutral evil and chaotic neutral.

#15 Guest_Theodur_*

Posted 15 August 2003 - 08:51 AM

Thank you for sharing your opinion, it is truly appreciated.

#16 Guest_Ursula_*

Posted 17 August 2003 - 07:22 PM

Ok, some comments before this part. I have no idea about the nature of the illusion that Adalon casts, so I adapted my own interpretation – illusion in this case should rather be called an alteration, meaning that the change into the drow bodies is purely physical change of their bodies. Of course, for a person without a soul this would be… rather confusing…

Good points! I'll bite.


Another thing – Adalon does not specifically tells that the protagonist must use name Veldrin, indicating that she does not know the identities of the drow she dispatched. So, Theo is not going to take on that name… thus my extremely silly game of anagrams in the middle of the chapter. Sorry ‘bout that…

Please don't be sorry. My gut reaction w/ that snippy %$#@! dragon was to *not* use the name she "suggested" either: it felt too much like a set-up in my book.

Lastly – re: to the discussion in the last chapter, I would like you to propose your versions on what alignment would suit Theo the best. Share your thoughts… :lol:

I dunno. Unfortunately I came in at midstream, so I haven't really had the opportunity to enjoy his characterization throughout the game.

I guess I'll check off what he *isn't*. He doesn't seem Lawful, lol. He *doesn't* seem evil--it's not as though he's only worried about his own benefit. He does care about others (like Jaheira), but he obviously doesn't like to be the fall guy for schemes...and from what he's been through, I don't blame him one iota for harboring suspicions of everyone he meets.

He *might* be CN, but again I'm not really into these alignment things. I *don't* think he's NG. I'm thinking either CN, TN, or CG. But, as I'm a mere neophyte, pls feel free to disagree. ;)

“Wonderful, another self-righteous blackmailer on our trail,” Edwin sneers, “this Red Wizard does not forget things like that easily, just you wait until we have finished doing your errands, wyrm, and then, after we have acquired everything we need from you in return…”

Yay! Edwin comes out with the truths that the rest of us only dare to think.


I turn around to look at my companions for the first time after the casting of Adalon’s spell… I see a young, sneering Drow male – that must be Edwin, unless Adalon’s illusions have changed our sexes…

Lol! Sly allusion to the Nether scroll. :cry:

“I have grown tired of your company, would you mind leaving my lair and getting to the task at hand?” Adalon interrupts our chatter angrily, “Remember, you are from the city of Ched Nasad. Use a Drow name as well, something as common as ‘Veldrin’, for example…”

That silver dragon was always such a b****! I hope she gets hers...

“Hehe, I love these games…” Imoen chirps happily, “how about… Noemi? And Edwin, I have one for you…”

“Never mind that, my fabulous mind is well capable of selecting the most stunning anagram that the rest of you fools could only dream about,” Edwin snorts.

“Well, let’s hear it then, Eddie,” Imoen does not relent.

“Err… what? Oh, yes… yes, of course… Wined!” Edwin proudly declares and is slightly taken aback by our loud laughing, “what are you laughing about, simians?”

“Eddie… hehe… that… that is ridiculous…” Imoen gasps for air, “how… how about… simply - Dewin?”

“Hmm, crude but suitable,” Edwin agrees after a little time of deliberation, “of course, that was the second suggestion on my long list of extremely cunning and impressive anagrams…”

ROTFL! Yes, this is just so...so...so very Edwin. Kudos!
Funny, innit? They're just regular folks, not beneficiaries of Mystra's generosity, and yet they manage more plausible anagrams than ::cough:: ::cough:: Terminsel. I mean Koveras I can understand: Sarry's mind is unhinged and all, but if the big E is even 1/8 as intelligent as he's egotistical, you'd've thought he'd cop to something more clever than Terminsel. Or maybe even just choose a whole different name, like Clyde.

“Heira… I like it,” I smile at her

Methinks melikes. Is that a play on Greek myth, Heira-->Hera, queen of the Grecian gods, iirc patron of marriage and fidelity?

Good chapter! Enjoyed it a lot. Thank you for sharing. :(

#17 Guest_Theodur_*

Posted 17 August 2003 - 07:57 PM

Ok, some comments before this part. I have no idea about the nature of the illusion that Adalon casts, so I adapted my own interpretation – illusion in this case should rather be called an alteration, meaning that the change into the drow bodies is purely physical change of their bodies. Of course, for a person without a soul this would be… rather confusing…

Good points! I'll bite.


...hmm, I hope it won't be too hard to chew...

Another thing – Adalon does not specifically tells that the protagonist must use name Veldrin, indicating that she does not know the identities of the drow she dispatched. So, Theo is not going to take on that name… thus my extremely silly game of anagrams in the middle of the chapter. Sorry ‘bout that…

Please don't be sorry. My gut reaction w/ that snippy %$#@! dragon was to *not* use the name she "suggested" either: it felt too much like a set-up in my book.


That, and I have simply grown bored with 'Veldrin'...

Lastly – re: to the discussion in the last chapter, I would like you to propose your versions on what alignment would suit Theo the best. Share your thoughts… :(

I dunno. Unfortunately I came in at midstream, so I haven't really had the opportunity to enjoy his characterization throughout the game.


I guess I'll check off what he *isn't*. He doesn't seem Lawful, lol. He *doesn't* seem evil--it's not as though he's only worried about his own benefit. He does care about others (like Jaheira), but he obviously doesn't like to be the fall guy for schemes...and from what he's been through, I don't blame him one iota for harboring suspicions of everyone he meets.


He *might* be CN, but again I'm not really into these alignment things. I *don't* think he's NG. I'm thinking either CN, TN, or CG. But, as I'm a mere neophyte, pls feel free to disagree. :(


Since I don't know/give a damn about alignment, I really can't disagree with you here... I was just intrigued about opinion of my readers - and I am very pleased that it isn't easy to assign one specific alignment to Theo, which I hope means that he is a complex character.

I think that you are right though... he has strong chaotic leanings, but I find it hard to decide whether he is closer to good or neutral.

“Wonderful, another self-righteous blackmailer on our trail,” Edwin sneers, “this Red Wizard does not forget things like that easily, just you wait until we have finished doing your errands, wyrm, and then, after we have acquired everything we need from you in return…”

Yay! Edwin comes out with the truths that the rest of us only dare to think.


Mind you, those truths are very dangerous...

I turn around to look at my companions for the first time after the casting of Adalon’s spell… I see a young, sneering Drow male – that must be Edwin, unless Adalon’s illusions have changed our sexes…

Lol! Sly allusion to the Nether scroll. :(


Hehe, since Eddie doesn't get his eager little hands on the scroll in this continuity, I just had to add this...

“I have grown tired of your company, would you mind leaving my lair and getting to the task at hand?” Adalon interrupts our chatter angrily, “Remember, you are from the city of Ched Nasad. Use a Drow name as well, something as common as ‘Veldrin’, for example…”

That silver dragon was always such a b****! I hope she gets hers...


Oh... do you expect me to talk? ;)


“Hmm, crude but suitable,” Edwin agrees after a little time of deliberation, “of course, that was the second suggestion on my long list of extremely cunning and impressive anagrams…”

ROTFL! Yes, this is just so...so...so very Edwin. Kudos!
Funny, innit? They're just regular folks, not beneficiaries of Mystra's generosity, and yet they manage more plausible anagrams than ::cough:: ::cough:: Terminsel. I mean Koveras I can understand: Sarry's mind is unhinged and all, but if the big E is even 1/8 as intelligent as he's egotistical, you'd've thought he'd cop to something more clever than Terminsel. Or maybe even just choose a whole different name, like Clyde.


Ergh... *wince* ...I think that this will be addressed when the old coot makes his appearance which will happen after their return to surface. Don't expect Terminsel to fool anyone in this group with his silly anagrams... (nevermind that Jaheira takes a fair time to identify him in the game... :D ) And perhaps Theo will have the chance to make Sarry blush about that 'Koveras' thingy... :cry:

“Heira… I like it,” I smile at her

Methinks melikes. Is that a play on Greek myth, Heira-->Hera, queen of the Grecian gods, iirc patron of marriage and fidelity?


Ah, excellent! Of course, with Jaheira participating in adultery - this is a pretty wicked jab, hehe. :lol:

Good chapter! Enjoyed it a lot. Thank you for sharing. :(


Thank you, I am glad you enjoyed it. :D




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