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Women gamers Guest_Rose of Jericho_* , Nov 13 2002 12:20 AM


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#21 Guest_CHuK'chSS'raGKH_*

Posted 14 November 2002 - 05:27 AM

> I've come across this Web site called www.womengamers.com (Because Women

> Do Play!). I first came across it while hunting down reviews on BG2 and

> was delighted to find it. I get frustrated with the lack of

> female-centered games, so it's great to see a site that's working to raise

> awareness of the female computer game player. Maybe this is one way we can

> get more games like BG on the market. :)

I've no doubt that women play games. Just look at this site. I'm sure women play games a lot.

> I figured I'd share, since there's so many XX-carrying gamers on this

> board. I hate that most games are marketed for the 18-22-year-old male. BG

> was a great start because it gave the female NPCs strong and interesting

> personalities. It also lets a female protagonist be treated as equally as

> the male protagonists (well, except for that whole Anomen romance, but

> that's a whole other rant ...) I'm sorry to see that more games like it

> haven't come out. Arcanum also was great in that regard, but I've not seen

> anything similar.

Hmm...I never liked the fact that men were treated better then women, this would be such a case. I recall my SS teacher last year telling me that if there were two people, a woman and a man, doing the exact same job, doing the exact same work, doing everything...well, they are pratically clones in terms of their work. In this case, my SS teacher told me that the man would be better paid.

And CHAw already made a point about BG. The majority of characters tend to be male.

I like thinking that women are equal with men (which doesn't seem to be the case in society, these days). I've heard many insults concerning gender, and I don't like that.

I don't like guys who think they're stronger because they think they're men. I'm the opposite. Anyone can push me around (until you start drawing fists and actually attack me), and I'm male. I mean, I am a man, but I'm not strong.

I recently finished reading Steinbeck's The Pearl, and he defined men in the book as half god, half insane (which I interprete that men [at least those who say "I am a man" as a sign of 'strength'] are insane and think they are invinsible), which I believe, in a way, depending on how you look at it.

There are other forms of insults, such as insulting someone's race or how they look. I'm like "Hello, you freaking (and I don't mean "freak", but another word that also begins with f) morrons!" because I don't see what's wrong about someone's culture.

The most insulted, at least by my observations, are Chinese. I, myself, am Chinese and I'm damned proud of it! Chinese tend to be hard working and are able to cooperate better then Americans. They are willing to work together instead of trying to order everyone around (which Americans in general [once again, I'm the 'odd' one in this] tend to do) and nothing will get done by doing that.

But then, I'm getting off-topic, aren't I?

> I'll stop before I start ranting. Shouldn't I be working on a story

> anyway?

> :D

Yes, you should. But then, so should I. Er...*goes running off to type his next story (or chapter)*

> Cheers,

> Rose of Jericho

Cheers to you, too,

Fiery Fury


#22 Guest_Ursula_*

Posted 15 November 2002 - 04:44 AM

> I did not know that about chess. Since I don't really play chess, I never

> looked at the stats. It could be socialization -- people think that girls

> don't play chess, so girls don't get encouraged to play chess. Or, studies

> show that girls tend to downplay their intelligence when they're

> adolescents, so maybe that's why more don't take up chess, a very

> intellectual game.

These are some interesting theories. ;)

Chess, intellectual? Never really thought of it like that. I wish more people played it. Imvho a lot of your personality can come out (subconsciously?) on the chessboard.

> I hope that those ideas about girls are changing and more girls are able

> to be comfortable in being smart and capable. If anything, the leaps that

> women have made in athletics just goes to show you that women didn't used

> to play sports because they couldn't, it was because no one ever taught

> them how to play. Let's see if we can work the same magic with

> intelligence. :P

Amen!

> Rose of Jericho



#23 Guest_Oryx_*

Posted 15 November 2002 - 05:11 PM

> I've no doubt that women play games. Just look at this site. I'm sure

> women play games a lot.

> Hmm...I never liked the fact that men were treated better then women, this

> would be such a case. I recall my SS teacher last year telling me that if

> there were two people, a woman and a man, doing the exact same job, doing

> the exact same work, doing everything...well, they are pratically clones

> in terms of their work. In this case, my SS teacher told me that the man

> would be better paid.

> And CHAw already made a point about BG. The majority of characters tend to

> be male.

> I like thinking that women are equal with men (which doesn't seem to be

> the case in society, these days). I've heard many insults concerning

> gender, and I don't like that.

> I don't like guys who think they're stronger because they think they're

> men. I'm the opposite. Anyone can push me around (until you start drawing

> fists and actually attack me), and I'm male. I mean, I am a man, but I'm

> not strong.

> I recently finished reading Steinbeck's The Pearl , and he defined men in

> the book as half god, half insane (which I interprete that men [at least

> those who say "I am a man" as a sign of 'strength'] are insane

> and think they are invinsible), which I believe, in a way, depending on

> how you look at it.

> There are other forms of insults, such as insulting someone's race or how

> they look. I'm like "Hello, you freaking (and I don't mean

> "freak", but another word that also begins with f)

> morrons!" because I don't see what's wrong about someone's culture.

> The most insulted, at least by my observations, are Chinese. I, myself, am

> Chinese and I'm damned proud of it! Chinese tend to be hard working and

> are able to cooperate better then Americans. They are willing to work

> together instead of trying to order everyone around (which Americans in

> general [once again, I'm the 'odd' one in this] tend to do) and nothing

> will get done by doing that.

So here you're insulting American culture; and in the previous paragraph you complained about people insulting other cultures.

> But then, I'm getting off-topic, aren't I?

> Yes, you should. But then, so should I. Er...*goes running off to type his

> next story (or chapter)*

> Cheers to you, too,

> Fiery Fury


Harper 007

#24 Guest_Oryx_*

Posted 15 November 2002 - 06:31 PM

> I've come across this Web site called www.womengamers.com (Because Women

> Do Play!). I first came across it while hunting down reviews on BG2 and

> was delighted to find it. I get frustrated with the lack of

> female-centered games, so it's great to see a site that's working to raise

> awareness of the female computer game player. Maybe this is one way we can

> get more games like BG on the market. ;)

> I figured I'd share, since there's so many XX-carrying gamers on this

> board. I hate that most games are marketed for the 18-22-year-old male. BG

> was a great start because it gave the female NPCs strong and interesting

> personalities. It also lets a female protagonist be treated as equally as

> the male protagonists (well, except for that whole Anomen romance, but

> that's a whole other rant ...) I'm sorry to see that more games like it

> haven't come out. Arcanum also was great in that regard, but I've not seen

> anything similar.

> I'll stop before I start ranting. Shouldn't I be working on a story

> anyway?

> :)

> Cheers,

> Rose of Jericho

On the bright side, BG2's sore lack of (non-custom) fem-PC romances may actually be better for gaming in the long run: if Bioware has been paying any heed to sites like this, and looking at what sorts of MODs are being made; it will notice that more romancable male NPCs seems to have the been by far the biggest demand of any sort of game extension/expansion. Any good designer with this information would want to cover their bases in this direction in future games. It's simply good business if nothing else. "The customer is always right."


Harper 007




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