Guest_Tenebrous_*
Posted 12 November 2002 - 06:39 AM
> Mmmm. What if those paladins tortured people? (a little loaded question,
> because there was a debate here with Oryx if torture was an attitude for a
> paladin or not. Anyway I ask this only for clarification, because I don't
> want to debate with him again because he thinks torture is "not
> evil" so...)
The same. For the record, I don't believe Onyx is a paladin nor deserves to be, especially given an attitude which isn't LG so much as (L)NG.
Guest_Lord E_*
Posted 12 November 2002 - 07:02 AM
> Mmmm. What if those paladins tortured people? (a little loaded question,
> because there was a debate here with Oryx if torture was an attitude for a
> paladin or not. Anyway I ask this only for clarification, because I don't
> want to debate with him again because he thinks torture is "not
> evil" so...)
Well as a (admittedly inexperienced) DM I must say that if a paladin tortured in my campaign he would be stripped of his powers sooner than he can say 'cat'. Torture is IMO one of the greatest evils and abhorrent practices in RL or fantasy, and I really can't see anything in paladin's credo that could possibly justify it.
I would be hard pressed to believe that any 'good' character could torture, except maybe in anger or frustration, never as a part of a reasoned ethical system.
Guest_Jaimevelasco_*
Posted 12 November 2002 - 07:38 AM
> Well as a (admittedly inexperienced) DM I must say that if a paladin
> tortured in my campaign he would be stripped of his powers sooner than he
> can say 'cat'. Torture is IMO one of the greatest evils and abhorrent
> practices in RL or fantasy, and I really can't see anything in paladin's
> credo that could possibly justify it.
I totally agree with you. I even think of it worse than killing drow children in my earlier example, because although the act of killing may be worse, killing is relatively fast and can be painless
However, with torture you have to do it slowly, and with a certain sick technique to make it effective. It's a slow, search for the points where you can do the most pain to make it unbearable...
> I would be hard pressed to believe that any 'good' character could
> torture, except maybe in anger or frustration, never as a part of a
> reasoned ethical system.
Totally agree with you. You were from Escandinavia, right? I visited a year ago a museum of torture instruments from the middle ages... let's just say that Braveheart was pure Disney light fantasy compared to reality
Guest_Lord E_*
Posted 12 November 2002 - 07:45 AM
> I totally agree with you. I even think of it worse than killing drow
> children in my earlier example, because although the act of killing may be
> worse, killing is relatively fast and can be painless
> However, with torture you have to do it slowly, and with a certain sick
> technique to make it effective. It's a slow, search for the points where
> you can do the most pain to make it unbearable...
Exactly. And as the victim is always helpless, it really takes some sick mind to be able to hurt him/her that way.
> Totally agree with you. You were from Escandinavia, right?
Yes, Finland to be exact.
> I visited a
> year ago a museum of torture instruments from the middle ages... let's
> just say that Braveheart was pure Disney light fantasy compared to reality
Right. I have a sort of horrified fascination to the subject, but I try to stay away. One of the most horrible books I have read is a historical account of Inquisition.
Guest_Jaimevelasco_*
Posted 12 November 2002 - 08:00 AM
> Exactly. And as the victim is always helpless, it really takes some sick
> mind to be able to hurt him/her that way.
100% agreed. That was the reason Onyx's character was so untrue for me. I can understand an evil character that enjoys torture. But a character that define himself as "good" do it?
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