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#1 Guest_zan_*

Posted 03 December 2002 - 06:26 PM

(apologies to TS Eliot)

and to everyone else, come to think of it. i am ultra nervous about posting this, and am slamming a big WARNING on it - do not read this if you in any way ill-disposed to non-redeemed sarevoks. seriously. zan doesn't want hatred ;)

this quiz theme got me thinking (good topic!), and as sarevok is up there with irenicus as one of my favourite BG characters, i was bound to write about him somewhere. this is the result. a ToB Sarevok, and his thoughts on the (good and righteous) PC who seeks to redeem him.

as for the backstory...i've taken the BG1 stance, mixed with a little of ToB, and a hefty dose of sarevok's own conclusions. above all, remember sarevok is a flawed narrator at best ;)

i would love criticism on this one - strong as you like (and i mean that!)

and if you get bored, play "spot the gratuitous shakespeare reference" :)

(edited for spellings, and other silly mistakes)

 

What The Thunder Said


I have walked with you for over a month now, lain my blade at your command, tolerated these fools that surround you...and still you press me for revelations. It bores me more than I can say.

Shall I tell you a story, whilst we walk? Whilst we march on, towards the destiny you claim not to seek? A destiny that was mine by rights, till you wrenched it from my dead fingers on the floor of the Duchal Palace?

Very well.

Once upon a time, there was a small boy, with dreadlocks in his hair and golden spite in his eyes. No-one knew how he came to live on the streets of Sembia, but live there he did - till the day a businessman plucked him from the wild throng of street children, for no other reason than his wife wished it so. But the businessman and his wife were cruel and evil tyrants, who ruled their house with fists of steel; heaped scorn upon each other's name; terrorised their frightened staff; beat the little boy every day and sent him to bed without any supper...

Is that what you wish to hear? Is it? Some epic tale of tragedy, wrought from tears of silver and gold? At last, you think, an explanation...a reason behind the facade of madness and the murder, the pivot for the fragile house of cards. The moment when the curtain falls, and the demon of fire turns out to be merely a man with a painted face. That must be the reason why he was so! And so the blood is swiftly wiped away, the corpses are stashed beneath the stairwell - and the murderer is reborn a man, with a heart if not of gold, then at least of tarnished bronze.

Do not make me laugh.

The businessman was only as cold as his profession, finding love in numbers and the smell of old gold coins. He was not always that way, so my mother used to tell me, and I certainly knew brief moments of his kindness in my youth. The occasional ruffle of my hair; kind words after waking from a nightmare; brand new toys of clockwork and tin, that made the other children of the Yhann merchants desperate in their envy. And if those moments grew less frequent with time, what of it? Many children are neglected by their parents. Many children do not attempt to conquer the Coast.

My father was remarkable only for two things: his murder of my mother, and his sheer banality. Even the former was, by Sembian standards, not especially noteworthy; the assassin he hired for the deed was often used for such affairs. And since he shared the latter with most of the population of the Realms, it seems somewhat unfair to condemn him for it. His world could be constructed on the face of one gold coin alone; just as my mother's could be contained in the bud of one lover's rose, or your father's in the page of one dusty spellbook. Even you, in your youth, were bounded, your universe stretching only as far as the stone walls of your precious Candlekeep. And so on and so on, for every single caged soul in the Realms. Which of them bothered to look beyond their confines, to scale their walls and break them down to see the wide horizon?

None of them, of course. Neither did you.

And now you bid me rebuild those walls, in the name of something you call redemption. It is a word spoken almost carelessly, as if it were something one simply fell into, something that was as inevitable as the rise and fall of the sun. Redemption, however, implies a more desirable state to which to return; a condition to which one can point from the darkened valleys, and label a peak. I see nothing desirable in narrow-mindedness, and I was never made for salvation - especially one that is, if truth be told, a sin of its own.

You would break me, and shape me, and build me anew. Carve an idol in your image; the mould of the epic hero, adored from Amn to Kozakura. Beloved of housewives; saver of pets; giver of lollipops to small children. Pathetic. You would have me climb a stairway of sins to reach my salvation, when in truth I already look down on you from the sky, and wonder at your idiocy. In truth, I stand far higher than you can even see, simply because I do not lie to myself with every breath I take. I have stared the domain of our mutual father in the face, fallen into its jaws, and clawed my way back from its embrace. I, at least, I am honest with myself. You are a liar, and nothing more.

And this destiny that you pretend to detest is the greatest lie of all, both in your reaction to it and its unreality. There is no such fate for us. There are no pathways scribed in stone, no divine es muss sein...no shining streams and rivers mapped out for the children of a long-dead god. You are a fool to think it otherwise - but then I suppose it suits you, to imagine yourself being dragged this path, as opposed to striding its length and crushing all opposition beneath your feet. Oh, you cry, but I did not mean it! It was my destiny!

Destiny too, is a misused word.

Alaundo's prophecies spoke only of chaos, not of rankings or one rising higher than all others. The tune has changed now, of course. Solar, speaking for the gods, has insisted that you are the rightful heir to our dead father's throne - but did it ever occur to you, it might be in their best interests that this be so? You, a hero, born of insufferable goodness, are infinitely preferable to a twisted Bhaal priestess...or to a man who sought to ascend long before you even knew the possibility existed. You will be easy to mould. And yes, they will refashion you, even as you, distracted, attempt to transform me. I wonder who will be the more successful, hmm?

I suppose you do not know of the time before my rise on the Coast. You would not know the man on whom you so easily pass your judgement, only the golem of steel into which he carved his flesh. You, happy in ignorance, label my ambitions as the ravings of a madman - when in truth I was the most sane I ever have been in my life. Certainly more sane than when I was scrabbling my way up the fire-crafted walls of the Abyss, or slicing through tanar'ri and baatezu with a sword hewn from human bone.

Allow me to enlighten you. I came to suspect the truth of my lineage long before you had ever heard Bhaal's name spoken. From the age of fifteen, my dreams were scribed in blood, echoing with the promises of what I might become. I cut down any and all who had ever sought to slander me; walked through scarlet battlefields where corpses were piled high; and, in a vision of truly poetic justice, took a garrotte to my father's throat. I dreamt symphonies of murder that rolled like tides of blood, and whose notes broke my soul free of its waking cage, so it too might soar. You have dreamt much the same, I know, in tone if not in detail, but I am sure you do not recognise them for the masterpieces they are. To you, they are nightmares; to me, they were an affirmation.

Sembia was a dull land. A nation of cutthroat mercantilism, based purely in the material words of profit and loss. Certainly, its people were more to my liking than the flabby, idle nobility of Cormyr - but that is hardly saying a great deal, and I found the culture of trade stifling. I had always known myself to be more than that I was; more than the flawed mortal whom others, equally bounded, would have had me be. Where their spirits were built of ash and glowing embers, mine blazed and raged like a pyre. And yet the child was trapped in a petty land of commerce, where fathers loved only money, and mothers loved only the attention they so desperately craved.

But, I digress. The dreams. They simply provided more proof of what I had long suspected - and, in the end, a form of explanation. My sight was haunted by a symbol; an ivory skull ringed by tears of blood, whose eyes glowed with a golden light so fierce, it seared the eyes to look upon. And in every tear, I saw a different scene: a man with his throat slit, bleeding to death in a Waterdeep alleyway; a caravan of merchants, slaughtered in their sleep by a party of bandits; a war between two nations, crystallised in a twisted mess of fire and steel. Every minute portrait a perfect example of our dead father's domain, sending my own blood coursing like lightning through my veins.

And, armed with this image, I eventually found the information I sought. A book of the gods, one of the many unread tomes lining the walls of my father's study, there more for effect than for edification. But, whilst my father was too preoccupied with his own literature of accounts and numbers, educate me this book did. A page topped with the emblem I had seen in my dreams, detailing the reign of the once Lord of Murder, and his untimely death in the recent Time of Troubles. The author, somewhat biased, treated this as a cause for celebration, albeit tempered with regret at Cyrric's adoption of Bhaal's former domain. But at the bottom, printed neatly in italics, almost as an afterthought, was one quotation. The Lord of Murder shall perish, but in his death he shall spawn a score of mortal progeny. Chaos shall be sown from their passage.

Alaundo's words. I knew enough of his prophecies even then, and would come to know more than I cared to in the months I spent roaming Sembia's libraries. I had always distrusted prophets, reserving a mild contempt for those who would act as mouthpieces for others. And it had always seemed to me that seers delivered obscurities alone; the interpretation, as ever, belonged only to the listener. They speak, or write, or chant, leaving the witnesses to understand as they choose, and generations of scholars to bicker endlessly over their words. Alaundo, though, was of a different breed. He truly saw what others did not, albeit it in a frustratingly cryptic form. But his prophecies had proven accurate in the past, and few had been as explicit as this.

And with that, my plans began in earnest. I hunted down a former priest of Bhaal, hiding in the Thunderpeaks range north of the Daerlun. It took many months to find him, and with the passing of his master his mind had retreated into madness; yet still he had his moments of lucidity, instants when he seemed almost to channel the remnants of his former god's power. A living prophet, no matter how unstable, is of far greater worth than one long since dead - and the priest Veladin was even more than a prophet in some ways. His belief defined him, made him a vessel for his master's will - rather a waste, given the circumstances, but most useful to my purpose. He taught me much of my true father, and bid me travel to the Sword Coast; to Candlekeep, the library fortress where I might learn even more.

The story is now, I am sure, familiar to you. I journeyed south, under the pretence of following my foster father - and Cythandria, my dreaming Pythia, followed me in turn. The rest has been told too often, in every tawdry tavern from Beregost to Waterdeep. It is a tale I have grown tired of.

And its epilogue? A would-be conqueror, fallen from the sky, dead on the floor of his throne room, struck down by his sibling's hand. You did me wrong, to take me out of the grave. Not because I do not wish to live, to breathe, to kill...but because I am now obliged to you. I carry part of your intolerable morality inside of me, rotten like a tumour, when in truth I would have clawed my own way back, in time. I would have climbed the walls once more, lurched forward from the earth's embrace, stood tall and proclaimed "I am risen". Instead, I found myself dragged up the cliffs by your ropes, pulled back to a weakened body in a world I was not yet ready to face. It took a fragment of your essence to make me whole, and I will carry it with me until my second death.

And I still wonder why you offered to me to begin with. You asked for no vow of allegiance, no guarantee of loyalty save my word. It is hardly worth much. I have lied before, and betrayed countless allies in pursuit of some greater goal. It is the way of things, for though we must be honest with ourselves, honesty with others is an overrated commodity. Even you could not claim your words are always true - and who is to decide if one lie is worse than another? There is only truth, and falsehood; the shades of grey are worthless.

I suspect I know the reason for your unqualified boon. Moral superiority. You can smile down upon me like a benevolent god, smug in the knowledge that you - yes, you, a child of Bhaal himself - showed mercy and honour beyond all expectation. You were wronged, and did suffer, and did forgive your tormenter as would a saint...and thus I am living proof of your philanthropy. It makes me sick to think of it, but I know it to be the truth. You, for all your noble principles, are a self-righteous hypocrite.

And here I stand, indebted to you for what semblance of life I have left. I could walk away today, tomorrow...murder you in your sleep as I left, even. But I do not. My interests in this matter run far too deep - and, having failed to win power on my own terms, I can only try to gain what I can under yours. The fallen idol walks in the demi-god's footsteps, dead fingers grasping what meagre boons they can. It is by no means an uneven relationship, though. You need me as I need you. We are reflections of each other. As one lifts their hand to the mirror's surface, so the other responds in reverse, and it is impossible to remove the parts from the whole; no matter how hard one tries, the coin remains a coin, and its two sides are just the same. We are fire ad ice, thesis and antithesis, light and dark. If you take one half away, the other becomes meaningless.

It disgusts me. I, the titan, the man who brought the Sword Coast to its knees, am tied to you by bonds greater than any of blood. I can only define myself in terms of you - your sibling, your victim, your one-time persecutor, your victory and your failure. And you, my confessor and oppressor rolled into one, treat me now as an irrelevance.

I was your life once, and your death. I tore your fragile world apart - a nightmare of barbed steel that would revisit you for months on end. But time shrank my place in your memory, my status superseded by a faceless fallen prince and his twisted vampire sister. The seasons rolled by, above and below - and now I am as insignificant to you as the dust you trail in your wake, on your relentless rise to the throne I only saw in my dreams. I look up, and find our roles reversed...victim turned to victor, idol to unwilling disciple.

You are everything to me, from now until eternity - and I despise you for it.
 

#2 Laufey

Posted 03 December 2002 - 07:09 PM

and to everyone else, come to think of it. i am ultra nervous about posting this, and am slamming a big WARNING on it - do not read this if you in any way ill-disposed to non-redeemed sarevoks. seriously. zan doesn't want hatred :lol:


You shouldn't have to be nervous about posting this or *anything* as long as it follows the Attic guidelines. Even if I *did* dislike this story, which I don't, I wouldn't ever consider throwing a hysterical temper tantrum. If we can't tolerate different opinions on characters, what kind of writers are we?

That said, on to the story itself. :D I think I'll just summarize this time. Firstly, I personally prefer redeemed Sarevok, since I love a good redemption story. However, to me redemption is something that has to come from *inside*. If the person himself doesn't want to change, if it's just some 'righteous' person preaching to him, then I don't consider it redemption at all, only annoying preaching. If I was subjected to that, I'd completely agree with your Sarevok's opinions.

So, while I am going to handle Sarevok's character differently than you do, I still think it was a well-written and thought-provoking story, and I think you got the tone of his voice just right, very grand and epic, just like him. :D
Rogues do it from behind.

#3 Guest_zan_*

Posted 03 December 2002 - 07:51 PM

You shouldn't have to be nervous about posting this or *anything* as long as it follows the Attic guidelines. Even if I *did* dislike this story, which I don't, I wouldn't ever consider throwing a hysterical temper tantrum. If we can't tolerate different opinions on characters, what kind of writers are we?


i agree entirely! i mean, i'm not in any way offended by the redeemed sarevoks :D (actually, i think he could go either way)

i firmly believe that all opinions are valid, and have every right to be aired (hey, even the "evil Aeries"! :) :D). in fact it's very interesting to see other people's takes on various characters - diversity of opinion is the key to developing your own, i think.

but i do have an unfortunate tendency to shove my foot squarely in my mouth on this board, a trait i have demonstrated much in the past...just remember, if it's offensive, i almost certainly didn't mean it that way :lol:

That said, on to the story itself. :lol: I think I'll just summarize this time. Firstly, I personally prefer redeemed Sarevok, since I love a good redemption story. However, to me redemption is something that has to come from *inside*. If the person himself doesn't want to change, if it's just some 'righteous' person preaching to him, then I don't consider it redemption at all, only annoying preaching. If I was subjected to that, I'd completely agree with your Sarevok's opinions.


that was the concept i was going for - a self-righteous PC, trying and failing to convert him to the cause of good. of course, the view of the PC is coloured by it being Sarevok narrating ;) but imagine them as a sort of paladin figure...the archetypal hero, to Sarevok's villain.

the idea came up during an email discussion between Nyx and me. Sarevok and paladins were mentioned, and it got me thinking - what would happen if you placed sarevok with the worst sort of paladin? (not to say that all holy warriors are this way - just that some are, and i doubt Sarevok would sit well with them at all)

So, while I am going to handle Sarevok's character differently than you do, I still think it was a well-written and thought-provoking story, and I think you got the tone of his voice just right, very grand and epic, just like him. ;)


that's a big compliment, actually - voice is very important to me. and i will be intrigued to see what role Sarevok plays in the ToB section of Cards Reshuffled, distant though it is at present :)

thanks for commenting,

zan

#4 Guest_Hunter_*

Posted 03 December 2002 - 08:00 PM

(apologies to TS Eliot)


and to everyone else, come to think of it. i am ultra nervous about posting this, and am slamming a big WARNING on it - do not read this if you in any way ill-disposed to non-redeemed sarevoks. seriously. zan doesn't want hatred :D


There was no need to write a warning for this story, or worry that an unredeemed sarevok would not be to the readers liking. If all stories included a sarevok as cute as a bunny this place would soon become quite boring, and the story is quite good. It's interesting to see the world from sarevoks perspective, how he views his saviour, and how he hates the mercy that is shown to him.

I can almost feel his frustration over the fact that he, sarevok, is now reduced to a mere sidekick for the person that he once considered littlle more than an annoyance..

and if you get bored, play "spot the gratuitous shakespeare reference" :D


i didn't find it, but then again i don't know much about shakespeare.

Good story.

Btw if you were worried that the readers here would be disturbed by the "dark" nature of the story, i can tell you that there are some stories on the attic that makes this one look almost blissfull.

Hunter

#5 Guest_zan_*

Posted 03 December 2002 - 08:08 PM

There was no need to write a warning for this story, or worry that an unredeemed sarevok would not be to the readers liking.


ah, it's good to know that such a warning isn't needed. but i am trying to err on the side of caution, owing to my amazing ability to upset the apple cart without even trying :D

I can almost feel his frustration over the fact that he, sarevok, is now reduced to a mere sidekick for the person that he once considered littlle more than an annoyance..


yes...i think that would be the most galling thing of all to him. the twist of the knife, essentially serving one that he once considered an insect.

Btw if you were worried that the readers here would be disturbed by the "dark" nature of the story, i can tell you that there are some stories on the attic that makes this one look almost blissfull.


oh, i didn't consider this one dark. there's much darker fare around here, as you say. heh, this one was lighter than most parts of kaleidoscopes, and that's lighter still than my other series! and i'm not even a "darkness" writer, really.

i doubt the Attic really needs a "darkness warning". readers are quite mature about that sort of thing, i think. the BG series itself isn't exactly the most fluffy of stories, is it?

thanks for commenting :D

zan

#6 Guest_Winski Perorate_*

Posted 03 December 2002 - 08:11 PM

and to everyone else, come to think of it. i am ultra nervous about posting this, and am slamming a big WARNING on it - do not read this if you in any way ill-disposed to non-redeemed sarevoks. seriously. zan doesn't want hatred :D


I naturally prefer the redeemed Sarevok, because that is the one I know and love in my parallel reality - but I enjoy any good tale. And my scribe, while she shares my preference, enjoys any Sarevok. As Peri pointed out in one of their recent discussions, there was much to like even in the pre-redeemed Sarevok, homicidal porcupine-armored maniac (yes, ours was definitely a maniac) as he was. And all his incarnations seem to carry something of his basic nature.

You also have no reason to be nervous - what would this board be about if not writing different versions of the characters? I think people who are too offended about a thing like that need to learn the simple art of stopping reading if they realize the object of their attention is something they are not likely to enjoy, and get over it.

My father was remarkable only for two things: his murder of my mother, and his sheer banality. Even the former was, by Sembian standards, not especially noteworthy; the assassin he hired for the deed was often used for such affairs. And since he shared the latter with most of the population of the Realms, it seems somewhat unfair to condemn him for it. His world could be constructed on the face of one gold coin alone; just as my mother's could be contained in the bud of one lover's rose, or your father's in the page of one dusty spellbook. Even you, in your youth, were bounded, your universe stretching only as far as the stone walls of your precious Candlekeep. And so on and so on, for every single caged soul in the Realms. Which of them bothered to look beyond their confines, to scale their walls and break them down to see the wide horizon?


Such bitterness and contempt.

And now you bid me rebuild those walls, in the name of something you call redemption. It is a word spoken almost carelessly, as if it were something one simply fell into, something that was as inevitable as the rise and fall of the sun. Redemption, however, implies a more desirable state to which to return; a condition to which one can point from the darkened valleys, and label a peak. I see nothing desirable in narrow-mindedness, and I was never made for salvation - especially one that is, if truth be told, a sin of its own.


As long as he sees redemption as restriction and narrow-mindedness, they really is no redemption for him. Such an ubermensch... this makes me smile mirthlessly, as I used to think much the same and teach it to my own Sarevok.

You would break me, and shape me, and build me anew. Carve an idol in your image; the mould of the epic hero, adored from Amn to Kozakura.


No-one can force redemption upon another. One must desire it, to repent in his own heart.

And this destiny that you pretend to detest is the greatest lie of all, both in your reaction to it and its unreality. There is no such fate for us. There are no pathways scribed in stone, no divine es muss sein...no shining streams and rivers mapped out for the children of a long-dead god. You are a fool to think it otherwise - but then I suppose it suits you, to imagine yourself being dragged this path, as opposed to striding its length and crushing all opposition beneath your feet. Oh, you cry, but I did not mean it! It was my destiny!


I must confess that at this point I agree with him. Many times those 'good Bhaalspawn' lines really rub me the wrong way in their wailing reluctance. Oh, you didn't want the power, you didn't want the attention and the riches - but you got it all the same, so what do you have to lose by keeping up the pretence of reluctance?

Sembia was a dull land. A nation of cutthroat mercantilism, based purely in the material words of profit and loss. Certainly, its people were more to my liking than the flabby, idle nobility of Cormyr - but that is hardly saying a great deal, and I found the culture of trade stifling. I had always known myself to be more than that I was; more than the flawed mortal whom others, equally bounded, would have had me be. Where their spirits were built of ash and glowing embers, mine blazed and raged like a pyre. And yet the child was trapped in a petty land of commerce, where fathers loved only money, and mothers loved only the attention they so desperately craved.


Sembia is exceedingly banal, yes.

And its epilogue? A would-be conqueror, fallen from the sky, dead on the floor of his throne room, struck down by his sibling's hand. You did me wrong, to take me out of the grave. Not because I do not wish to live, to breathe, to kill...but because I am now obliged to you. I carry part of your intolerable morality inside of me, rotten like a tumour, when in truth I would have clawed my own way back, in time. I would have climbed the walls once more, lurched forward from the earth's embrace, stood tall and proclaimed "I am risen". Instead, I found myself dragged up the cliffs by your ropes, pulled back to a weakened body in a world I was not yet ready to face. It took a fragment of your essence to make me whole, and I will carry it with me until my second death.


While I can understand the feeling of resentment, this borders on amusing in its megalomania.

I suspect I know the reason for your unqualified boon. Moral superiority. You can smile down upon me like a benevolent god, smug in the knowledge that you - yes, you, a child of Bhaal himself - showed mercy and honour beyond all expectation. You were wronged, and did suffer, and did forgive your tormenter as would a saint...and thus I am living proof of your philanthropy. It makes me sick to think of it, but I know it to be the truth. You, for all your noble principles, are a self-righteous hypocrite.


I wonder if his brother is truly as insufferable and smug as he seems to think (brother it is, right?).

You are everything to me, from now until eternity - and I despise you for it.
 


Well, that was a joyless read. This Sarevok is much less passionate than ours, though he is certainly capable of a lot of cold loathing. I guess I hope he will conquer a nation or something of the same vein, though I doubt it would make him happy. As long as Ao lords over him, he would feel diminished and restricted, I suppose.

#7 Guest_Winski Perorate_*

Posted 03 December 2002 - 08:21 PM

that was the concept i was going for - a self-righteous PC, trying and failing to convert him to the cause of good. of course, the view of the PC is coloured by it being Sarevok narrating :D but imagine them as a sort of paladin figure...the archetypal hero, to Sarevok's villain.


Oh, it wasn't any of your named Bhaalspawns. I have difficulties imagining a Sarevok who would go for that kind of thing (though I won't be presumptuous enough to say that such a Sarevok can't exist). I think Peri wouldn't have been nearly as succesful in 'redeeming' him unless she wasn't the kind of person who could care less about 'the cause of good', even doubting its existence.

I do not know if my scribe has mentioned this, but what happened to them was a role reversal of sorts - in the end it was Sarevok who kept Peri from falling for the taint, and still she is the more cynical one of them.

#8 Guest_Nyx_*

Posted 03 December 2002 - 11:11 PM

and to everyone else, come to think of it. i am ultra nervous about posting this, and am slamming a big WARNING on it - do not read this if you in any way ill-disposed to non-redeemed sarevoks. seriously. zan doesn't want hatred :?


Yay! No one hates you! :lol:

this quiz theme got me thinking (good topic!), and as sarevok is up there with irenicus as one of my favourite BG characters, i was bound to write about him somewhere. this is the result. a ToB Sarevok, and his thoughts on the (good and righteous) PC who seeks to redeem him.


I said this in email, but the truth remains... the nameless PC reminds me of DAWNA. (For those wondering, Dawna is my silly little uber-good protagonist who likes to cuddle puppies and spout melodramatic rubbish in the name of Lathander while smiling sunnily and clapping her little hands.)

as for the backstory...i've taken the BG1 stance, mixed with a little of ToB, and a hefty dose of sarevok's own conclusions. above all, remember sarevok is a flawed narrator at best ;)


Always the best kind. ;)

and if you get bored, play "spot the gratuitous shakespeare reference" :P


Pythia! Pythia! I'd like to borrow your well-read brain for a bit. Might help me title my *(#&$*# stories. :D

Now, you know how I feel about (the first part of) this. :) Strong, powerful, and fantastical. I find his viewpoint on redemption just fascinating actually, and rather agree with it, I fear (at least in this instance), being not a fan of the... what I would call brainwashing being pushed upon him by this protagonist. I am also very intrigued by your take on the protagonist/Sarevok- hero/sidekick dynamic; it's something I've been thinking about recently, for various reasons. I think absolutely it would sting, absolutely feel like a spit in his face by the fates.

Beautiful language. I'm still envying your wordplay.

And the inevitable soundbites!

Alaundo's prophecies spoke only of chaos, not of rankings or one rising higher than all others. The tune has changed now, of course. Solar, speaking for the gods, has insisted that you are the rightful heir to our dead father's throne - but did it ever occur to you, it might be in their best interests that this be so? You, a hero, born of insufferable goodness, are infinitely preferable to a twisted Bhaal priestess...or to a man who sought to ascend long before you even knew the possibility existed. You will be easy to mould. And yes, they will refashion you, even as you, distracted, attempt to transform me. I wonder who will be the more successful, hmm?


I love this addressing of the question of predestination and the schizm between BG1's version of the prophecy and the ToB interpretation. It's always bothered me, because of course I am obsessively consistent. :D

The story is now, I am sure, familiar to you. I journeyed south, under the pretence of following my foster father - and Cythandria, my dreaming Pythia, followed me in turn. The rest has been told too often, in every tawdry tavern from Beregost to Waterdeep. It is a tale I have grown tired of.


I would say that you'd get tired of hearing about your own downfall and death. No kidding. :)

I carry part of your intolerable morality inside of me, rotten like a tumour, when in truth I would have clawed my own way back, in time. I would have climbed the walls once more, lurched forward from the earth's embrace, stood tall and proclaimed "I am risen".


Oh, that is just gorgeous. You know how I feel about epic Sarevoks. :)

Great, great work. I love that wicked evil Sarevok, lol :lol:

-Nyx

#9 Guest_Kendis_*

Posted 04 December 2002 - 12:54 AM

Zan, this is so brilliant, I don't even know what to say! :wink: You have captured Sarevok so perfectly it's almost scary! I can hear his voice speaking every one of those words, almost spitting them on the floor, his eyes burning like golden flames! Absolutely beautiful! :lol:

Kendis

#10 Arcalian

Posted 04 December 2002 - 01:24 AM

and to everyone else, come to think of it. i am ultra nervous about posting this, and am slamming a big WARNING on it - do not read this if you in any way ill-disposed to non-redeemed sarevoks. seriously. zan doesn't want hatred :wink:


Is there such a person on the board that would hate you for that? My Sarevok clearly won't be redeemed, for example, and as far as I know I'm just about the most touchy person about such things here.

And I still wonder why you offered to me to begin with. You asked for no vow of allegiance, no guarantee of loyalty save my word. It is hardly worth much. I have lied before, and betrayed countless allies in pursuit of some greater goal. It is the way of things, for though we must be honest with ourselves, honesty with others is an overrated commodity. Even you could not claim your words are always true - and who is to decide if one lie is worse than another? There is only truth, and falsehood; the shades of grey are worthless.


Adrian: Well brother, I cannot speak for this brother you address, but in my case it was the simple knowledge that you knew where your own best interest lay. Your own offer to me told me that much.

I was your life once, and your death. I tore your fragile world apart - a nightmare of barbed steel that would revisit you for months on end. But time shrank my place in your memory, my status superseded by a faceless fallen prince and his twisted vampire sister. The seasons rolled by, above and below - and now I am as insignificant to you as the dust you trail in your wake, on your relentless rise to the throne I only saw in my dreams. I look up, and find our roles reversed...victim turned to victor, idol to unwilling disciple.


Adrian: Yes, I must ask my version of you what you made of them, when seen through my eyes....
The road to the abyss may be paved with good intentions, but it is those with bad intentions that race down that road as fast as they can.

#11 Guest_Bibbi_*

Posted 04 December 2002 - 03:15 AM

another great character analysis- I think that's one of your best skills in writing. very believable, imho. I always thought the tob sarevok redemption plot was too quick to be convincing-give him three conversations and he turns away from evil? and he jumps from CE to CG in one step, unlike Viconia who takes an entire romance to jump from NE to TN! I like your version better than the games! (though someone else could write a well done redemption piece, I have no doubt) :wink:

#12 Anaviel

Posted 04 December 2002 - 04:10 AM

and to everyone else, come to think of it. i am ultra nervous about posting this, and am slamming a big WARNING on it - do not read this if you in any way ill-disposed to non-redeemed sarevoks. seriously. zan doesn't want hatred :lol:


No need for a warning really. We all have different versions of characters..It'd be pretty boring if we didn't :wink:

Once upon a time, there was a small boy, with dreadlocks in his hair and golden spite in his eyes. No-one knew how he came to live on the streets of Sembia, but live there he did - till the day a businessman plucked him from the wild throng of street children, for no other reason than his wife wished it so. But the businessman and his wife were cruel and evil tyrants, who ruled their house with fists of steel; heaped scorn upon each other's name; terrorised their frightened staff; beat the little boy every day and sent him to bed without any supper...


Heh, I'm sure that's exactly what overly preachy paladin would love to hear.

And now you bid me rebuild those walls, in the name of something you call redemption. It is a word spoken almost carelessly, as if it were something one simply fell into, something that was as inevitable as the rise and fall of the sun. Redemption, however, implies a more desirable state to which to return; a condition to which one can point from the darkened valleys, and label a peak. I see nothing desirable in narrow-mindedness, and I was never made for salvation - especially one that is, if truth be told, a sin of its own.


Interesting view on redemption. It sounds like this pc is trying to brainwash him.

You would break me, and shape me, and build me anew. Carve an idol in your image; the mould of the epic hero, adored from Amn to Kozakura. Beloved of housewives; saver of pets; giver of lollipops to small children. Pathetic. You would have me climb a stairway of sins to reach my salvation, when in truth I already look down on you from the sky, and wonder at your idiocy. In truth, I stand far higher than you can even see, simply because I do not lie to myself with every breath I take. I have stared the domain of our mutual father in the face, fallen into its jaws, and clawed my way back from its embrace. I, at least, I am honest with myself. You are a liar, and nothing more.


I can just picture some self-righteous paladin know-it-all preaching to Sarevok about redemption while Sarevok grinds his teeth wanting to give the pc, as Minsc would say, a butt kicking. And I can't say I'd blame him. If I had some overly preachy, goody-goody, self-righteous paladin (or someone who mines as well be a paladin) chirping in my ear I'd tell them to take their self-righteous bull, sit on it, and rotate.

I was your life once, and your death. I tore your fragile world apart - a nightmare of barbed steel that would revisit you for months on end. But time shrank my place in your memory, my status superseded by a faceless fallen prince and his twisted vampire sister. The seasons rolled by, above and below - and now I am as insignificant to you as the dust you trail in your wake, on your relentless rise to the throne I only saw in my dreams. I look up, and find our roles reversed...victim turned to victor, idol to unwilling disciple.


You are everything to me, from now until eternity - and I despise you for it.
 


I love this. I don't think he'd like his stasis as the pc's arch-nemesis taken away because being the pc's arch nemesis gives him a feeling of importants. Take that away and he's just insignificant.

But anways I really love this story. It's so..Sarevok. :lol:

#13 Guest_Nyx_*

Posted 04 December 2002 - 05:59 AM

another great character analysis- I think that's one of your best skills in writing. very believable, imho. I always thought the tob sarevok redemption plot was too quick to be convincing-give him three conversations and he turns away from evil? and he jumps from CE to CG in one step, unlike Viconia who takes an entire romance to jump from NE to TN! I like your version better than the games! (though someone else could write a well done redemption piece, I have no doubt) :wink:


(Hi Bibbi! Don't believe I've ever spoken to you before, so... Hi! :lol:)

I just wanted to go on record and say, I completely agree. I understand the limitations of ToB's length and wordcount, but I'm of the belief that 1) CN would have been far more realistic and 2) if you're going to change someone's personality, do it properly. I recognize that going through (literally) Hell for however many months tends to make someone rethink their position, but even so three dialogues just was not enough for me to buy that Sarevok would give up his powerlust and ambition, no way. When you first resurrect him, he's still saying he'd do it all over again given the chance.

ANYWAY, suffice to say, I found it unrealistic. Viconia's conversion made sense; it was only one step (as an alignment conversion should be!) and only after a long and truly changing experience with her lover.

As it stands, the phrasing of the dialogue choices, the speed and extremity of the change, and the emotionally and mentally vulnerable position he is in at the time (having just lost the things that he lived for and suffered some level of torture and torment for a rather long time) leads me to think "brainwash" more than "genuine change of beliefs."

(rant off)

-Nyx

Edit: Just fixing a typo! Bad me!

#14 Guest_Joe_*

Posted 04 December 2002 - 06:44 AM

and to everyone else, come to think of it. i am ultra nervous about posting this, and am slamming a big WARNING on it - do not read this if you in any way ill-disposed to non-redeemed sarevoks. seriously. zan doesn't want hatred


There’s nothing *necessarily wrong* with redeemed characters, IMO, but I for one don’t at all mind a character who is unapologetically bad (hence the creation of Morderion :wink: ).

I suspect I know the reason for your unqualified boon. Moral superiority. You can smile down upon me like a benevolent god, smug in the knowledge that you - yes, you, a child of Bhaal himself - showed mercy and honour beyond all expectation. You were wronged, and did suffer, and did forgive your tormenter as would a saint...and thus I am living proof of your philanthropy. It makes me sick to think of it, but I know it to be the truth. You, for all your noble principles, are a self-righteous hypocrite.


I wonder, is the PC truly a paladunce here, or is Sarevok just bitter? Or both?

#15 Guest_Winski Perorate_*

Posted 04 December 2002 - 07:58 AM

another great character analysis- I think that's one of your best skills in writing. very believable, imho. I always thought the tob sarevok redemption plot was too quick to be convincing-give him three conversations and he turns away from evil? and he jumps from CE to CG in one step, unlike Viconia who takes an entire romance to jump from NE to TN! I like your version better than the games! (though someone else could write a well done redemption piece, I have no doubt) :wink:


Given that alignment is an artificial construct, it is however the game-technical way to express his change in beliefs - and so I would agree that he in the meantime should be CN. However, it feels right that our version of Sarevok ended CG as he has such a passionate nature that hugs extremes. He must always have a great epic cause, or he feels he is not alive at all. He savors the pain of his guilt as he once savored his dream of godhood, though nowadays he is slowly starting to adjust.

As it stands, the phrasing of the dialogue choices, the speed and extremity of it of the change, and the emotionally and mentally vulnerable position he is in at the time (having just lost the things that he lived for and suffered some level of torture and torment for a rather long time) leads me to think "brainwash" more than "genuine change of beliefs."


Agreed - most of the time the protagonist sounds rather smug, which would be very unlikely to make someone as proud as Sarevok to genuinely rethink his views. A very important part of Sarevok's and Peri's relationship is that she has never had any illusions of being morally superior to him. Any other way would immediately have antagonized him.

(rant off)


-Nyx



#16 Guest_Melle_*

Posted 04 December 2002 - 04:21 PM

Don't worry, that was some great stuff.

#17 Weyoun

Posted 04 December 2002 - 10:16 PM

(apologies to TS Eliot)


Who?

and to everyone else, come to think of it. i am ultra nervous about posting this, and am slamming a big WARNING on it - do not read this if you in any way ill-disposed to non-redeemed sarevoks. seriously. zan doesn't want hatred :)


Hey, hey, hey, don't apologize for what you write. You can write these characters as you see them... you should write your characters as you see them. Why should your vision of Sarevok have any less credence than that of someone else?

and if you get bored, play "spot the gratuitous shakespeare reference" :)


"CRY HAVOC! And let loose the dogs of war!"

Oh, wait... that was general Chang! :wink: Disregard! :lol:

The businessman was only as cold as his profession, finding love in numbers and the smell of old gold coins. He was not always that way, so my mother used to tell me, and I certainly knew brief moments of his kindness in my youth. The occasional ruffle of my hair; kind words after waking from a nightmare; brand new toys of clockwork and tin, that made the other children of the Yhann merchants desperate in their envy. And if those moments grew less frequent with time, what of it? Many children are neglected by their parents. Many children do not attempt to conquer the Coast.


Many children probably don't have the same amount of bhaalessence and drive as you have, Sarry. :D

You would break me, and shape me, and build me anew. Carve an idol in your image; the mould of the epic hero, adored from Amn to Kozakura. Beloved of housewives; saver of pets; giver of lollipops to small children. Pathetic. You would have me climb a stairway of sins to reach my salvation, when in truth I already look down on you from the sky, and wonder at your idiocy. In truth, I stand far higher than you can even see, simply because I do not lie to myself with every breath I take. I have stared the domain of our mutual father in the face, fallen into its jaws, and clawed my way back from its embrace. I, at least, I am honest with myself. You are a liar, and nothing more.


LOL! You tell him, Sarry! Obviously the words of someone who doesn't want

Alaundo's prophecies spoke only of chaos, not of rankings or one rising higher than all others. The tune has changed now, of course. Solar, speaking for the gods, has insisted that you are the rightful heir to our dead father's throne - but did it ever occur to you, it might be in their best interests that this be so? You, a hero, born of insufferable goodness, are infinitely preferable to a twisted Bhaal priestess...or to a man who sought to ascend long before you even knew the possibility existed. You will be easy to mould. And yes, they will refashion you, even as you, distracted, attempt to transform me. I wonder who will be the more successful, hmm?


Oooh, clever!

The story is now, I am sure, familiar to you. I journeyed south, under the pretence of following my foster father - and Cythandria, my dreaming Pythia, followed me in turn. The rest has been told too often, in every tawdry tavern from Beregost to Waterdeep. It is a tale I have grown tired of.


MAybe he hates it so much because he always loses when the story is done. :D

I suspect I know the reason for your unqualified boon. Moral superiority. You can smile down upon me like a benevolent god, smug in the knowledge that you - yes, you, a child of Bhaal himself - showed mercy and honour beyond all expectation. You were wronged, and did suffer, and did forgive your tormenter as would a saint...and thus I am living proof of your philanthropy. It makes me sick to think of it, but I know it to be the truth. You, for all your noble principles, are a self-righteous hypocrite.


Ooooh, nice! :D

I was your life once, and your death. I tore your fragile world apart - a nightmare of barbed steel that would revisit you for months on end. But time shrank my place in your memory, my status superseded by a faceless fallen prince and his twisted vampire sister. The seasons rolled by, above and below - and now I am as insignificant to you as the dust you trail in your wake, on your relentless rise to the throne I only saw in my dreams. I look up, and find our roles reversed...victim turned to victor, idol to unwilling disciple.


You are everything to me, from now until eternity - and I despise you for it.
 


Great stuff!
---Weyoun

#18 Guest_Tenebrous_*

Posted 05 December 2002 - 07:42 PM

My time is really very limited, so I can't make a long comment. I'm glad I picked this one to read, though. I like it. Despite appearances, I enjoy writing evil characters - and definitely enjoy reading them.




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