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#21 Guest_zan_*

Posted 10 April 2001 - 05:00 PM

> A quick something? It amazes me that you people can throw something out

> here like this and say it is a 'quick something'... I am WAY jelous...

> Good 'quick somehting'!

> You know... I sit here, typing away, trying to work out a scene,

> struggling with the characters, trying to make them follow a scene to

> where I want them to end up, but they... don't... cooperate...

> I am very humbled in the presence of everyone here who can crank out stuff

> like this on an apparewnt whim...

You know, sometimes our best ideas come to us on a whim.

For example, "Kaleidoscopes" sprang from a thought I had yesterday evening - what if the PC just gave up? Stupid simple idea, but built it up into a little story. And I think it works better than if I'd sat there, banging my head against a keyboard for the evening trying to write something else.

Like Ryan says, sometimes you need to stand back and let the characters do what they want for a while. Don't try and force it, just take a few steps back.

(heh, not *always* a good idea though - zan couldn't write the Haer'Dalis/Imoen/Aerie story she wanted to, so she let Haer'Dalis do it, and look how *that* turned out :o)


#22 Guest_Anonymous_*

Posted 10 April 2001 - 05:03 PM

> Hmm. This one's a few sandwiches short of a picnic, isn't she?

The idea came to me one day: hey, how can you have someone to whom all this crap happens and NOT have them break down? I would think having to go through hell like that, from Candlkeep onward, would really mess with anyones mind, even if they were the child of a god. Enter Jade. :)

> This is one of those characters that the D&D alignment system simply

> breaks down on. She's kind of somewhere between chaotic neutral and

> chaotic evil, but neither of those really seem to fit entirely. In a way

> she's kind of true neutral in that she just doesn't care one way or the

> other. But even that doesn't fit because she's not trying to maintain a

> balance (balance is certainly not a word I would use to describe this

> woman).

No, you wouldn't. In the game I have her as CN, but like you said it really doesn't fit her all that well. Then again, I also gave her GM in daggers, and she's a thief. Eh, I role-play too much.

> This will be very interesting if you decide to continue with this

> character. I really can't see her attracting any followers, seeing as how

> she openly admits that she'll kill you when she has no more use for you. I

> think even Korgan would think twice before joining up with this woman.

> Heck, I think even Irenicus and Bodhi would be afraid of this woman.

LOL, yeah. I was trying to think of a group that would fit around her... Yoshimo, Cernd, and Haer'Dalis came to mind, though I'm not sure why exactly. I will say that Yoshi's in it now, and he's gonna be staying whether he likes it or not. :o

Oh, and after what has happened, you are right, Jon and Bodhi should be afraid. Very, very afraid.

> While I normally don't like these kind of anti-heroes, I must admit that

> you did a fantastic job of presenting her.

Thank you. I didn't think I had shown her as demented as I had hoped, but I guess it came off better than I thought, or even intended. Now if only I can keep that going through the next bunch of stories...

> Now, if you'll excuse me, I think I just saw Jaycen going into the other

> room to grab Carsomyr and muttering something about a good old fashioned

> smiting being in order. I better go check on him...

Hehe, silly paladin. Tell him not to worry, Jade doesn't bother with that type. There are two kinds of people in her twisted world: those who are directly related to your fate, and those who don't matter in the slightest. Lucky for him, Jaycen belongs in the latter category. ;)


#23 Guest_zan_*

Posted 10 April 2001 - 05:08 PM

Ooh. Is this the story you mentioned below? Pretty special, either way - though she's not so much morally ambigious as completely stark raving nuts :o

Seriously, this was an interesting viewpoint to take. She's more extreme Chaotic Neutral than 'evil' though, I think - but that's just zan's opinion. Willing to kiss or kill from one moment to the next, maybe. Did the torture in Irenicus' dungeon cause the insanity, or is it more deep-rooted and permanent than that? Lots of questions raised here. Jade's insanity is more overt than I expected, but I can see it being more of a survival aid than I first thought.

Also interesting that she rejects Yoshimo...perhaps we could all have done with a dose of paranoia, but I would guess many people took him into the party. It's the Montaron/Xzar thing, clinging to strangers in a crisis - and it takes an extremely unstable character to realise how reckless this is.

One thing though - how's Jon going to turn out when he tries to steal Jade's soul? As if he wasn't crazy enough as it is...


#24 Guest_Mutant Mike_*

Posted 10 April 2001 - 05:11 PM

> You know, sometimes our best ideas come to us on a whim.

I think I must be in a 'whim-free' zone...

> For example, "Kaleidoscopes" sprang from a thought I had

> yesterday evening - what if the PC just gave up? Stupid simple idea, but

> built it up into a little story. And I think it works better than if I'd

> sat there, banging my head against a keyboard for the evening trying to

> write something else.

That was very good. It was somewhat depressing, because I hate to see someone give up like that, especially considering the affinity that I'm sure we have all developed for all of the characters...

> Like Ryan says, sometimes you need to stand back and let the characters do

> what they want for a while. Don't try and force it, just take a few steps

> back.

I tried to take a few steps back with the 'Question' story I just posted. I just hope I'm not too close to a cliff...

Seriously, though (that don't happen often), I think I am also still somewhat 'post'-shy... I want to write a story and make it as perfect as my ability will allow before posting it. I tend to be a perfectionist... I disappoint myself often, but I realize that in some cases, moderate success is enough...

The Mutant Philosopher...



#25 Guest_Anonymous_*

Posted 10 April 2001 - 05:22 PM

> Ooh. Is this the story you mentioned below? Pretty special, either way -

> though she's not so much morally ambigious as completely stark raving nuts

> :o

Yeah it was. I was wondering how she'd fit into that conversation, which is why I brought her up.

> Seriously, this was an interesting viewpoint to take. She's more extreme

> Chaotic Neutral than 'evil' though, I think - but that's just zan's

> opinion. Willing to kiss or kill from one moment to the next, maybe. Did

> the torture in Irenicus' dungeon cause the insanity, or is it more

> deep-rooted and permanent than that? Lots of questions raised here. Jade's

> insanity is more overt than I expected, but I can see it being more of a

> survival aid than I first thought.

It is deep rooted. See my response to Ryan, and also kev's response. It's kind of like when you found Imoen in Spellhold, and she was nutso and babbling... like that, only waaay before Spellhold. It started with Gorion, and took off from there, though in the beginning it wasn't as obvious. Malignant insanity is the term that comes to mind. (ack, I suck with descriptions)

> Also interesting that she rejects Yoshimo...perhaps we could all have done

> with a dose of paranoia, but I would guess many people took him into the

> party. It's the Montaron/Xzar thing, clinging to strangers in a crisis -

> and it takes an extremely unstable character to realise how reckless this

> is.

Especially since she's a thief herself, it makes him totally useless, except as a guide. He doesn't really give anything away in the beginning of the game, though, and if you were to not trust him, then you could equally not trust Korgan or Anomen or any of the NPCs. But Jade doesn't trust anyone. I *REALLY* wanted to include the idea of 'Perfect Paranoia' but I don't wanna steal it! ;)

> One thing though - how's Jon going to turn out when he tries to steal

> Jade's soul? As if he wasn't crazy enough as it is...

Oh, gods... I never thought about that! Eep!


#26 Guest_Anonymous_*

Posted 10 April 2001 - 08:59 PM

You have managed to quite effectively capture the mindset of a woman who walks on the dark side. Creepy but very well written. I liked the way you handled the dialogue...Not wordy but worlds of meaning in every exchange.

Keira


#27 Laufey

Posted 10 April 2001 - 10:33 PM

Creepy, but strangely alluring. This is one PC who has been pushed a little bit to far, am I right? For some reason she reminded me of the Joker. Would be interested in learning more about her.


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#28 Guest_Devon_*

Posted 10 April 2001 - 11:15 PM

Wow. Jade is certainly...different. I'd be interested to see how she changes as the stotryline unfolds, especially with the slayer transformation. She could have quite an interesting take on things, if you are able to give us more of her story.

Your story was chilling, but also extremely well written. You've managed to highlight her mania really well, and I liked Yoshi's reaction to it.

Well done!


#29 Guest_Silrana_*

Posted 10 April 2001 - 11:49 PM

> You know, sometimes our best ideas come to us on a whim.

> For example, "Kaleidoscopes" sprang from a thought I had

> yesterday evening - what if the PC just gave up? Stupid simple idea, but

> built it up into a little story. And I think it works better than if I'd

> sat there, banging my head against a keyboard for the evening trying to

> write something else.

Heck, those sudden ideas that just pop into your head are sometimes the best. Where would I be if I had ignored that nagging idea 'hey, what would it be like if the PC died?' That lead to A Very Different Ending, and my insane obsession with this place! (come to think of it, I'd have a lot more free time...never mind)


#30 Guest_Silrana_*

Posted 10 April 2001 - 11:56 PM

Ooooh, I think I have a theme song for Jade-

They're coming to take me away, haha

They're coming to take me away, hoho,heehee,haha



#31 Guest_Anonymous_*

Posted 11 April 2001 - 01:21 PM

> Ooooh, I think I have a theme song for Jade-

> They're coming to take me away, haha

> They're coming to take me away, hoho,heehee,haha

Why does that remind me of Alice? Maybe it's those kids in the library... *shiver*


#32 Guest_Dorotea_*

Posted 11 April 2001 - 01:46 PM

Hmm, that was , different. She sure is an interesting person. :)

You know how it is , you go out meet interesting people, end up with a dagger in your gullet...

Good work!

The only comment that I would make on the storyline though, is that Jade starts talking about Yoshimo' sister in past time right away, while you never mention that this sister is dead now. But it is rather minor.


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#33 Guest_Anonymous_*

Posted 11 April 2001 - 02:00 PM

> Hmm, that was , different. She sure is an interesting person. :)

> You know how it is , you go out meet interesting people, end up with a

> dagger in your gullet...

> Good work!

Thanks. :)

> The only comment that I would make on the storyline though, is that Jade

> starts talking about Yoshimo' sister in past time right away, while you

> never mention that this sister is dead now. But it is rather minor.

It isn't very obvious now, but the Yoshimo-Tamoko thing is pretty consistant throughout my stories, and will be prominent in both Jade's and Takka's (if I ever get back to writing on that, grumble grumble) Heh, I'm actually using the same idea for both, which isn't exactly a recipe for success. But then I have two different story lines to mess with. Here's to hoping I can pull it off! :)


#34 Guest_Oyster Girl_*

Posted 11 April 2001 - 06:36 PM

> Ooooh, I think I have a theme song for Jade-

> They're coming to take me away, haha

> They're coming to take me away, hoho,heehee,haha

Should I feel old for recognizing this?


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#35 Guest_Nyx_*

Posted 11 April 2001 - 08:23 PM

> Should I feel old for recognizing this?

Nah, I recognize it too, and I don't want to be old. :)

-Nyx





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