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#1 Shian

Posted 26 December 2013 - 05:51 AM

Just saw Hobbit Part 2 and they have sexy pants Fili (or Kili) flirting with a pretty Elven lady (points to movie makers for making up their own female Captain of the Guard, though I felt calling her She-Elf was stupid... reminds me of when people say woman warrior or woman writer instead of warrior or writer...).  

 

Anywho it made me wonder what their children would look like. Also made me realize this kind of pairing is one I've never seen and never thought of. Anyone else ever consider this pairing or seen it done? 



#2 MorningGlory

Posted 26 December 2013 - 02:47 PM

My memory of LOTR/Tolkien lore is really, really rusty, but if I recall, it's biologically (genetically-speaking) impossible for a dwarf-elf offspring.    



#3 AlphaMonkey

Posted 26 December 2013 - 07:24 PM

My memory of LOTR/Tolkien lore is really, really rusty, but if I recall, it's biologically (genetically-speaking) impossible for a dwarf-elf offspring.    

 

I'm sure that won't stop people from shipping it, anyway. :D



#4 Shian

Posted 26 December 2013 - 09:57 PM

 

My memory of LOTR/Tolkien lore is really, really rusty, but if I recall, it's biologically (genetically-speaking) impossible for a dwarf-elf offspring.    

 

I'm sure that won't stop people from shipping it, anyway. :D

 

Guilty as charged! Though Fili is sexier than most dwarves I've ever seen (though not to other dwarves I'm sure since his beard isn't very long). 

 

I suppose they don't need to be able to make babies in order to be together. :3


Edited by Shian, 26 December 2013 - 09:58 PM.


#5 MorningGlory

Posted 27 December 2013 - 03:42 PM

 

My memory of LOTR/Tolkien lore is really, really rusty, but if I recall, it's biologically (genetically-speaking) impossible for a dwarf-elf offspring.    

 

I'm sure that won't stop people from shipping it, anyway. :D

 

 

Very true.  Lore bending (and outright breaking) is part and parcel of any fandom and its very creative storytellers.   :D

 

 

 

My memory of LOTR/Tolkien lore is really, really rusty, but if I recall, it's biologically (genetically-speaking) impossible for a dwarf-elf offspring.    

 

I'm sure that won't stop people from shipping it, anyway. :D

 

Guilty as charged! Though Fili is sexier than most dwarves I've ever seen (though not to other dwarves I'm sure since his beard isn't very long). 

 

I suppose they don't need to be able to make babies in order to be together. :3

 

 

I don't recall any 'physical' anomalies that would prevent an intimate relationship between the two.  But, dwarves are more likely to stick to their own kind, the females fueling that white-hot attraction with their own come-hither, sexy beards.   :D   (I can only imagine how a male dwarf's ego could be crushed by his female partner's beard being more provocative than his own!)   If I recall, female dwarfs are only attracted to their own race/species -- no outsiders need apply -- and although the males don't share the same widespread reputation for inter-racial philandering as do the elves, they've been known to get it on with an occasional human or two.  (Btw, and as an aside, there are debates from one fantasy world setting to the next if dwarves and/or elves are considered races, sub-races, separate species, or sub-species, some claiming elves as a race of humankind but dwarves as a separate species, and others claiming combinations and variations on a theme.) 

 

As for Fili's flirtation, it's very likely he's very young by both dwarven and elven standards (the development/growth of the beard is a tell), and you could easily assume the Elven Captain of the Guard is fairly mature considering her professional status.   Lots of opportunity for both a comedic and interesting interlude between the two.



#6 AlphaMonkey

Posted 28 December 2013 - 06:02 PM

 Lots of opportunity for both a comedic and interesting interlude between the two.

 

 

He's four feet tall and can drink enough ale to drop a man twice his size. She can put an arrow in your eye from fifty paces. THEY HUNT ORCS.



#7 Shian

Posted 29 December 2013 - 02:46 AM

I just heard Tauriel is actually from the Similarillion and is supposed to be dead in The Hobbit...? Anyone else hear that? I haven't read the Silmarillion yet so IDK. I didn't see anything online. 



#8 MorningGlory

Posted 29 December 2013 - 03:50 PM

 

 Lots of opportunity for both a comedic and interesting interlude between the two.

 

 

He's four feet tall and can drink enough ale to drop a man twice his size. She can put an arrow in your eye from fifty paces. THEY HUNT ORCS.

 

 

I get it.. I get it..  Sheesh..  



#9 Majin_Baka

Posted 29 June 2014 - 01:13 PM

I know this thread is old, but I can't help it, since I have returned to the LotR fandom.

 

I don't know if there is anything that would make interbreeding between Dwarves and Elves fail, but the way Tolkien wrote things he did seem to have the races sticking to their own kind. Half-Elves like those who gave rise to Elrond's line (Beren and Luthien, Tuor and Idril) or the Dol Amroth family are all cast as tragic. Dwarves may be longer-lived than most Men (except the most pure-blooded Dunedain, like Aragorn), but they remain mortals, like Men are.

 

There is also the point that Tolkien Elves, if killed, have their souls stay within Arda, only retreating to Mandos (the "House of the Dead") to rest. They have the potential, depending on how traumatic their death, and if they're conduct warrants punishment or not, of being reborn, though only one Elf ever returned to Middle Earth after dying, and Glorfindel was something of a very special case, quite possibly sent for a mission, just as the Wizards were.

 

The mortal races either don't go to Mandos at all, or pass through quickly on their way to somewhere else. That means that, barring the possible veracity of Durin the Deathless, they simply don't come back. That would end up a tragedy for an Elven partner. There have only been two exceptions to this - when Luthien died the second time, she was fated to follow the fate of Men and have her soul leave the World entirely, while it seems to be implied that Tuor may have been awarded Elven immortality and may still be living in Valinor.

 

 

Now on the dwarven side of the equation, Dwarves in Tolkien have a serious gender imbalance happening. Only one in three dwarves is female, and not all of them will get married as dwarves are very prone to be married to their craft. There is room to suppose a culture amongst dwarves of trying to get one of the few available dwarven women as a wife, so relationships outside their race may be less than acceptable.

 

What canon indicates is that the only notable friendly relationships between the two races are just that - friendships. Off the top of my head, only two come to mind, Celebrimbor is strong suggested to have been good friends with Durin III, and Legolas and Gimli. The "Telchar of Nogrod" may have also been friends with Elves when he crafted Narsil, but the only thing I can base that on is that Telchar sounds like a very elven name, and Narsil ended up in Elven hands (possibly Maglor's) before it became the sword of the king of Numenor.

 

 

So TL;DR, canon implies that Elf/Dwarf pairings never happen for issues of immortal/mortal relationships being tragic and the two races mostly stick to their own kind when looking for marriagable prospects.

 

 

As for the movie, well first off, the dwarf flirting was Kíli, the younger, dark-haired brother. Fíli is the blond one. What would a child look like? Maybe shorter and stockier than an Elf, taller and thinner than a Dwarf, and possibly subject to the Half-Elven Choice (half-elves have to decide which race they want to live, and possibly die as). Tauriel and Kíli? Dark, maybe reddish hair, probably end up being an archer.

 

But I personally don't ship them. Aside from knowing what is going to happen to Kíli, I had a ship for him before I even entered the cinema (and it wasn't his brother, uncle, Bilbo, or any of the rest of the Company, or any other Elf) and was hoping to find reason to ignore the the thing with Tauriel, and I found it. Though I will be curious as to how far it carries out in the third movie.


Edited by Majin_Baka, 29 June 2014 - 01:17 PM.





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